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There's a lot of speculation out there. You guys are assuming if statement A happens, statement B HAS to happen. It's just a guess guys. No one knows what the future holds, not even you. I will say though, if Ford can put the V6TT in the Ford GT, they have no reservations about putting it in the Mustang either. The exhaust note on that Ford GT is actually pretty good. Just saying.
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There's a lot of speculation out there. You guys are assuming if statement A happens, statement B HAS to happen. It's just a guess guys. No one knows what the future holds, not even you. I will say though, if Ford can put the V6TT in the Ford GT, they have no reservations about putting it in the Mustang either. The exhaust note on that Ford GT is actually pretty good. Just saying.

Note that they cling to the “GT” in the Mustang. This is so you aren’t wedded to any V8 nomenclature. Back in my day it was a 5.0 LX and the GT was a running joke nobody wanted. So “GT” means top of the line now and a twin turbo V6 can replace the V8 with no effect on the brand. I just wish they would let us old guys buy a 7.0 just for old times sake before they 86 the entire V8 lineup.
 

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Mustang is a brand, it won’t go away with the V8. Mustang stands for freedom and speed and not a V8 and not a manual transmission. Show me a model year where the only engine option was the V8. And this from a hard ass V8 guy. I’m pushing 60 so that says it right there. Mothballing the Mustang brand because you now have a twin turbo V6 putting out close to 700 horsepower and figure nobody is into that is ludicrous. Ford would rather develop a small V8 if it was that critical or license it from another car maker. Ford hasn’t, so the path forward is clear.
Still not getting it, the “Mustang” brand doesn’t make enough money without having a V8 option. People seek out V8 muscle cars. As soon as you eliminate the V8, people will start cross shopping to BMW, Audi and even Kia’s and Hyundai’s. By eliminating the V8, you essentially put it in an entirely different class of vehicles….a class where Ford has already deemed unworthy of producing.

Note that they cling to the “GT” in the Mustang. This is so you aren’t wedded to any V8 nomenclature. Back in my day it was a 5.0 LX and the GT was a running joke nobody wanted. So “GT” means top of the line now and a twin turbo V6 can replace the V8 with no effect on the brand. I just wish they would let us old guys buy a 7.0 just for old times sake before they 86 the entire V8 lineup.
That’s because the GT looked like dog shit. Cheese-grater tail lights, porno red interior and 20lb weights in the front bumper…no thank you.
 

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The only thing I could think of when I saw what appears to be a roll bar was the statement made by Ford's marketing manager, "Venom kills Demons". If that's so, it would have to be a 9 second car and the roll bar/cage would be very appropriate.
If it does 11 flat it would be great as it is. Let's remember that the GT500 WILL NOT be a Drag Focused car, it's focus will be at the track like the GT350.

When the V8 goes away, the mustang brand will shortly follow. Even with what is likely the strongest name recognition in automotive history, there will no longer be anything to differentiate the mustang from other cars. Think about it, without a V8, the front end shrinks down and you end up with what amounts to a BMW 3 series. Except, the mustang won't be competing with the 3 series, it will be competing with Kia and Hyundai.
That'w why the Mustang it's slowly becoming a "Sports Car" so it doesn't need to rely on its V8. Maybe in the future this will be something like a "Budget M4" or something similar to what the Nissan 370z is.

Still not getting it, the “Mustang” brand doesn’t make enough money without having a V8 option. People seek out V8 muscle cars. As soon as you eliminate the V8, people will start cross shopping to BMW, Audi and even Kia’s and Hyundai’s. By eliminating the V8, you essentially put it in an entirely different class of vehicles….a class where Ford has already deemed unworthy of producing.
You can't know that right now. What it is sad for the Mustang market is that around (just throwing numbers) 60% of its "buyers" only get the car because of the looks, the other 40% because of it's performance and what it represents (that's for both V8 and Ecoboost). If the Mustang stops offering a V8 (I'm pretty sure Ford will be one of the last ones to offer it) it will start to compete in a different class (you're right on that) and while "die-hard purists" will stop buying it because of that, there won't be any other option in the market with a V8 so they will live in the past getting pre-owned ones.

And what will happen with the Mustang then? well, it depends on what it becomes but I'm pretty sure it will be pretty similar to what BMW offers with the M4 but a much lower price, basically a Sports Coupe. I'm pretty sure that it will get a lot more of customers (at the same time it will lose some).
 

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There's a lot of speculation out there. You guys are assuming if statement A happens, statement B HAS to happen. It's just a guess guys. No one knows what the future holds, not even you. I will say though, if Ford can put the V6TT in the Ford GT, they have no reservations about putting it in the Mustang either. The exhaust note on that Ford GT is actually pretty good. Just saying.
The Ford GT sounds ok at full song, but driving around town it sounds like garbage. I understand why - function was most important to make sure the Ford GT would win LeMans.

And what will happen with the Mustang then? well, it depends on what it becomes but I'm pretty sure it will be pretty similar to what BMW offers with the M4 but a much lower price, basically a Sports Coupe. I'm pretty sure that it will get a lot more of customers (at the same time it will lose some).
I won't buy a BMW because their straight 6s sound like garbage. I've driven some and I'm just not interested. I may buy one of the older V8 models someday though. It all depends on what other options are out there for sporty cars that are fun to drive (and engine sound is a huge part of that fun factor). If BMW goes back to a V8 - even if it's small displacement and boosted - I might be interested again at that point.
 

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Still not getting it, the “Mustang” brand doesn’t make enough money without having a V8 option. People seek out V8 muscle cars. As soon as you eliminate the V8, people will start cross shopping to BMW, Audi and even Kia’s and Hyundai’s. By eliminating the V8, you essentially put it in an entirely different class of vehicles….a class where Ford has already deemed unworthy of producing.



That’s because the GT looked like dog shit. Cheese-grater tail lights, porno red interior and 20lb weights in the front bumper…no thank you.
Just like the guy above(Nameless), the GT hasn't been a muscle car in a long time. The GT is a Grand Tourer, like what's denoted on the back of the car. I believe if the power and sound are good, people won't care. Yes, they will lose some sales to V8 elitists. But on the other end of the spectrum, they will bring in people that wouldn't normally be shopping for a Mustang. It goes both ways.
 

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If it does 11 flat it would be great as it is. Let's remember that the GT500 WILL NOT be a Drag Focused car, it's focus will be at the track like the GT350.



That'w why the Mustang it's slowly becoming a "Sports Car" so it doesn't need to rely on its V8. Maybe in the future this will be something like a "Budget M4" or something similar to what the Nissan 370z is.



You can't know that right now. What it is sad for the Mustang market is that around (just throwing numbers) 60% of its "buyers" only get the car because of the looks, the other 40% because of it's performance and what it represents (that's for both V8 and Ecoboost). If the Mustang stops offering a V8 (I'm pretty sure Ford will be one of the last ones to offer it) it will start to compete in a different class (you're right on that) and while "die-hard purists" will stop buying it because of that, there won't be any other option in the market with a V8 so they will live in the past getting pre-owned ones.

And what will happen with the Mustang then? well, it depends on what it becomes but I'm pretty sure it will be pretty similar to what BMW offers with the M4 but a much lower price, basically a Sports Coupe. I'm pretty sure that it will get a lot more of customers (at the same time it will lose some).
And again, Ford just killed it’s entire small and mid-size car lineup with production numbers far, far exceeding that of the mustang. So you think Ford is going take the mustang which is in a niche market and push it down into a segment with even more competition from nearly every major auto manufacturer on earth (including Lincoln)?

How are you guys not getting it? Every small and mid-size market is struggling…and you want to throw the mustang into that mix by removing the only option that makes it stand out?
 

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I can vouch for the 2.7 EB power capabilities. My F-150 with a 93 tune and Drop in filter makes 377whp and 440wtq. It’s a stout motor.
 

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So you think Ford is going take the mustang which is in a niche market and push it down into a segment with even more competition from nearly every major auto manufacturer on earth (including Lincoln)?
Yes.

Both Mustang and F-Series will be the only ones that will survive through the years. The fusion wasn't "as important" as the Mustang. Maybe the Mustang doesn't offer "as much revenue" as other products, however the Mustang is what brings customers to the brand (They go to the dealer to see the Mustang and leave getting an Escape, for example).

How are you guys not getting it? Every small and mid-size market is struggling…and you want to throw the mustang into that mix by removing the only option that makes it stand out?
The V8 is not the "only option" that makes it stand out, year by year the Mustang is getting better and not only because of the engine, but with the handling, design (subjective), fun-to-drive factor, interior, and a lot more of reasons.

Sooner or later the Mustang will drop the v8 and IT WILL continue being an awesome car (or even better). With the Mustang you will continue having "M4-Like" Performance, at a 320i price.
 

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The problem with the Probe was being FWD.
No, the problem with the probe was that it was a compact car that looked and felt nothing like a mustang...and had no v8 option. Being FWD was just icing on the cake.
 

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I honestly don’t think a 2.7 ecoboost mustang would kill the v8 market. People thought the EB trucks would kill the v8 truck market. It didn’t. There are still plenty of die hard v8 enthusiasts out there. With the right mods, the 2.3 EB mustang can be just as quick or much quicker than a coyote and it’s not hurting coyote sales.
 

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No, the problem with the probe was that it was a compact car that looked and felt nothing like a mustang...and had no v8 option. Being FWD was just icing on the cake.
You do know the Mustang is Compact right? I never really got the love for needing a v8 other than the sound. The Probe GT was almost as quick as the 5.0 at teh time and the 2nd get was supposed to get teh KLZE till the Mustang guys got so angry about the Gen1. Would have loved the look on the faces of people if Ford actually gave the Probe a good engine instead of making it be 2nd fiddle to the Mustang. They should have let it ACTUALLY compete with the Mustang and kept what earned its place to stay. Of Course the Probe wasn't going to perform well when they were actually gimping it so teh Mustang could save face.

While on the topic I wonder what would have become of the 4.6 if the Probe really had taken off in the 80's.
 

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You do know the Mustang is Compact right? I never really got the love for needing a v8 other than the sound. The Probe GT was almost as quick as the 5.0 at teh time and the 2nd get was supposed to get teh KLZE till the Mustang guys got so angry about the Gen1. Would have loved the look on the faces of people if Ford actually gave the Probe a good engine instead of making it be 2nd fiddle to the Mustang. They should have let it ACTUALLY compete with the Mustang and kept what earned its place to stay. Of Course the Probe wasn't going to perform well when they were actually gimping it so teh Mustang could save face.

While on the topic I wonder what would have become of the 4.6 if the Probe really had taken off in the 80's.
Compact was a poor word choice, it was smaller in every way than the small mustang.

Try again...the probe GT was no-where as quick as a stock 5.0. Stock notchbacks regularly ran low 14's. Even the slower mustang GT was nearly a second quicker to 60 and over 1/2 second slower in the 1/4 mile...

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/vintage-reviews/vintage-road-test-ford-probe-vs-ford-mustang/

Nice try though.

It was slower...more expensive...and a colossal flop. No one wan's an under-performing FWD car in the performance world....we'll, except for Honda fanboys.
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