steveo1960
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Not sure if this is the correct subgroup so mods please move if not appropriate. So in looking at the new car crop, American muscle cars in particular, I have to say I am getting the willy's here. The Mustangs have the evap problems, driveline vibrations which BTW go back several years, motors blowing up and so forth. The Camaros have the TC vibration, plastic oil pan leaks and other issues. Then there is FCA which seem to have QC problems with assembly so cars not put together correctly at the factory.
And all seem to be living on the edge with direct injection and carbon deposits etc.
What's even scarier is the lack of parts stock, even basic stuff like valve cover gaskets. And this is across all brands.
So I'm 58yo have lived through the original American muscle car era, albeit 2nd hand cars, but we all had Chargers, Mustangs, Camaros, GTO etc back then.
Sure they broke, but were easy to fix and more importantly cheap to fix.
So what is going on with the big 3?
It seems we can't build a car that actually works. at least the major, engine, tranny, drive train and so forth.
Is it the robotics?
Poor parts quality from the suppliers?
Poor design?
Human errors?
Technology that is too advanced?
Trying to satisfy the EPA, emissions, CAFE standards?
What do ya'll think the problem is?
And yes, I get it that the Internet is going to attract far more people with problem than those with problem free cars, but even still, there seems to be a very bad pattern developing here.
That being said, what do ya'll think the solution is?
Like I said, when I see people having serious problems on a car with 1k miles I worry.
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And all seem to be living on the edge with direct injection and carbon deposits etc.
What's even scarier is the lack of parts stock, even basic stuff like valve cover gaskets. And this is across all brands.
So I'm 58yo have lived through the original American muscle car era, albeit 2nd hand cars, but we all had Chargers, Mustangs, Camaros, GTO etc back then.
Sure they broke, but were easy to fix and more importantly cheap to fix.
So what is going on with the big 3?
It seems we can't build a car that actually works. at least the major, engine, tranny, drive train and so forth.
Is it the robotics?
Poor parts quality from the suppliers?
Poor design?
Human errors?
Technology that is too advanced?
Trying to satisfy the EPA, emissions, CAFE standards?
What do ya'll think the problem is?
And yes, I get it that the Internet is going to attract far more people with problem than those with problem free cars, but even still, there seems to be a very bad pattern developing here.
That being said, what do ya'll think the solution is?
Like I said, when I see people having serious problems on a car with 1k miles I worry.
Comments for discussion.......
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