UAmach1
Bullitt Hopefull
Taking it a bit back to the original topic.
Performance from everyone is up right now. Stock 35-40K mustangs doing 11.8-12.3's, stock luxury family sedans doing mid 12's for under 50K. Both automatics.
The line between "normal car" and "muscle/sports car" is blurring. It's becoming a thing that unless you want a pure track monster nearly every "performance" car in the 35-55K bracket will perform VERY similar, but just vary on features and build quality.
I mean look at the example of the Q50 Red Sport I have. It's a 63K sticker car with discounts down to about 48K. It can move the family, has AWD, and will pull a 12.6 at the track. Is it a little slower than the GT? Sure. But it has better build quality, comfortably sets 4, will be better in the snow, and on the highway I get v6 MPG, not v8. I can slap on a tune, catback and roll with a 2018 5.0 with out giving up ANY creature comforts, or compromises.
Do i still love the SOUND of the v8 better? Heck yes.
Do I find it more FUN to break the rear loose than always have instant traction? Again, Heck yes.
But we can now have a quiet, smooth driving, no compromise family car that will not only take your grandmas to church but also take you down the 1/4 in 11's with just exhaust work and proper tuning. What we drive today used to be supercar numbers, and these aren't even higher end sports cars. Not to long ago you had to do full engine work and FI to get 11's and more than that to get 10's. Now, its just basic bolt-ons to get near 10's in a FAMILY CAR.
So i wouldn't say that Ford is LACKING performance. It's just that all of the market is better and wondering where to go. I think this is why we are starting to see the GT350 and ZL1 that are much better at handling. They are realizing that its getting harder to get more 1/4 speed out of daily cars, not everyone will see any need or want for a 10second family car. Also Electric cars are starting to get into the market.
Performance from everyone is up right now. Stock 35-40K mustangs doing 11.8-12.3's, stock luxury family sedans doing mid 12's for under 50K. Both automatics.
The line between "normal car" and "muscle/sports car" is blurring. It's becoming a thing that unless you want a pure track monster nearly every "performance" car in the 35-55K bracket will perform VERY similar, but just vary on features and build quality.
I mean look at the example of the Q50 Red Sport I have. It's a 63K sticker car with discounts down to about 48K. It can move the family, has AWD, and will pull a 12.6 at the track. Is it a little slower than the GT? Sure. But it has better build quality, comfortably sets 4, will be better in the snow, and on the highway I get v6 MPG, not v8. I can slap on a tune, catback and roll with a 2018 5.0 with out giving up ANY creature comforts, or compromises.
Do i still love the SOUND of the v8 better? Heck yes.
Do I find it more FUN to break the rear loose than always have instant traction? Again, Heck yes.
But we can now have a quiet, smooth driving, no compromise family car that will not only take your grandmas to church but also take you down the 1/4 in 11's with just exhaust work and proper tuning. What we drive today used to be supercar numbers, and these aren't even higher end sports cars. Not to long ago you had to do full engine work and FI to get 11's and more than that to get 10's. Now, its just basic bolt-ons to get near 10's in a FAMILY CAR.
So i wouldn't say that Ford is LACKING performance. It's just that all of the market is better and wondering where to go. I think this is why we are starting to see the GT350 and ZL1 that are much better at handling. They are realizing that its getting harder to get more 1/4 speed out of daily cars, not everyone will see any need or want for a 10second family car. Also Electric cars are starting to get into the market.
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