2019 GT500 Caught Benchmarking Porsche 911 GT3

DrumReaper said:

Stock for stock the R is hands down faster and a better drive, even with the factory mods to the 1LE. Those are the consensus opinions of the editors, as well. So it doesn't hang with the R.

As far as "modding" a 1LE... have you seen the chassis of a 1LE on a lift? Good luck with that. Even the exhaust on the 1LE suffers from packaging issues.

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Put a set of sport cup 2 tires on a 1LE and all those test numbers we'll be even closer and for 20k (not including ADM) more I'd expect the R to be faster.

To keep things on topic. I have heard this car will be faster than the GT350 in everway.

BmacIL said:

Not privy to all the details unfortunately.

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Sorry to hear they cut you off...Bruh

ttime500 said:

Put a set of sport cup 2 tires on a 1LE and all those test numbers we'll be even closer and for 20k (not including ADM) more I'd expect the R to be faster.

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Put in a flat plane crank engine with dual overhead cams, independent cam control and an 8,250 rpm red line that's 5.2 liters and makes 526 HP and I'd be somewhat interested in the 1LE, despite all the other downsides to the Camaro design/construction.

Flat Plane Drifter said:

Sorry to hear they cut you off...Bruh

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:lol::lol::lol:

Not cut off. Engineering/content details vs. pricing/release details are very different.

Hack said:

Put in a flat plane crank engine with dual overhead cams, independent cam control and an 8,250 rpm red line that's 5.2 liters and makes 526 HP and I'd be somewhat interested in the 1LE, despite all the other downsides to the Camaro design/construction.

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Well Lingenfelter does have a 358 FPC LSX motor Putting out 620 hp @ 9,000 RPM

Once thing I am interested in is the whole GT350/R ADM thing. Because of it's wide appeal out sound of the Mustang realm. Plenty of these cars have sold for much more that MSRP.

I wonder if Ford feels the GT500/Hot Boss 2 can pull more money for the company by building something that truly eclipses the competition. By investing more money into the vehicle, and raising it's MSRP.

Unfortunately we have no thunderbird, something that is a sports car. We have the Boss 302 and GT350 name plates, which often have competed against Corvettes.

I don't expect the GT500 do be able to do everything well, be light, and be affordable.


Makes we wonder if the GT350 will be updated and extended, and the GT500 is available at the same time for the street/strip crew.

Or will we see a duel name plate. Since there have been claims the GT350 and GT500 would not overlap.

Do we see the GT350 get extended or replaced by the Boss 302, and the GT500 or Boss 429 comes on the scene.

Hack said:

Put in a flat plane crank engine with dual overhead cams, independent cam control and an 8,250 rpm red line that's 5.2 liters and makes 526 HP and I'd be somewhat interested in the 1LE, despite all the other downsides to the Camaro design/construction.

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I totally agree Hack. Appeal wise I love the 350 over the 1LE I'm just simply saying from a performance numbers perspective the 1LE with cup tires is like 98% of the performance of the 350 at a lower cost.

It's not possible for the new mustang to do 9.87@135 on street tires. Not possible.

60' can't happen like that on street tires.

Moving along, you guys realize that finalizing numbers and performance are beginning NOW - as in - ford is shooting for target numbers. They haven't launched Easter eggs in the form of concrete acceleration numbers.

Next, I'm still sticking to my guns a centrifugal supercharger is in the horizon.

Lastly, by the sounds of it (I'm sure it'll be a beast) the new SE car doesn't sound like my flavour. I truly hope voodoo gets updates for 550/450 ++.

Darkane said:

It's not possible for the new mustang to do 9.87@135 on street tires. Not possible.

60' can't happen like that on street tires.

Moving along, you guys realize that finalizing numbers and performance are beginning NOW - as in - ford is shooting for target numbers. They haven't launched Easter eggs in the form of concrete acceleration numbers.

Next, I'm still sticking to my guns a centrifugal supercharger is in the horizon.

Lastly, by the sounds of it (I'm sure it'll be a beast) the new SE car doesn't sound like my flavour. I truly hope voodoo gets updates for 550/450 ++.

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Agree NO way the 60' can be done on street tires for that to happen. Though SC2 have proven they can pull a solid 1.6 60'. What do you think is possible like a 10.4-10.6? I like your thoughts on a centrifugal SC, do you think that would be a good fit and "unique" enough? I'm hoping the same thing with 350 a modest update with DCT option and power increase.

I'm sticking to my guns, I bet its 10.5 or under and it breaks 800 HP.
Yeah, who knows, maybe they tested it with DR's, it would still need almost 900 HP to get those figure.

Yep, BmacIL, posted that it wasn't supercharged like the competition (in other words) so its not a roots type.

ttime500 said:

Agree NO way the 60' can be done on street tires for that to happen. Though SC2 have proven they can pull a solid 1.6 60'. What do you think is possible like a 10.4-10.6? I like your thoughts on a centrifugal SC, do you think that would be a good fit and "unique" enough? I'm hoping the same thing with 350 a modest update with DCT option and power increase.

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I do feel a centrifugal would be unique enough. It hasn't been done in a while.

Lots of folks (including me until this year) knew that Ford and Shelby offered factory centrifugal supercharged packages for the GT350. 400hp

On top of that - the most powerful muscle car of the entire era was (very similar to now) a GT500 with twin centrifugal superchargers. See where this is sort of leading to?

http://www.mustangandfords.com/feat...ford-mustang-gt500-classic-muscle-car-review/

Edit: to answer your question about 1/4, nothing quicker than 10.5 BUT I'd love to see mph in the 130 area.

For example: a 1000hp hypercar will barely do 9.9@140. They'll weigh 600-800lbs less with cup rubber.

Darkane said:

I do feel a centrifugal would be unique enough. It hasn't been done in a while.

Lots of folks (including me until this year) knew that Ford and Shelby offered factory centrifugal supercharged packages for the GT350. 400hp

On top of that - the most powerful muscle car of the entire era was (very similar to now) a GT500 with twin centrifugal superchargers. See where this is sort of leading to?

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Perhaps it will use new cvt-centri from Torotrak?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car.../?src=nl&mag=rdt&list=nl_rdt_news&date=122116

Backed by the British government and in collaboration with both the University of Bath and the Ford Motor Company"

"V-Charge spins between 10,000 and 100,000 rpm"

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/torotrak-readies-v-charge-supercharger-downsized-engines

“We have developed the technology to a point that the concept is proven and it is ready to be commercialised, so there is no point in doing further work at this stage. Three major manufacturers are taking a serious look at V-Charge and analysing how they can use it in their applications.”

"Torotrak has installed a V-Charge system on a Ford Focus Titanium 1.0T Ecoboost"

Probably not, but sure would be cool!

williamwally said:

Perhaps it will use new cvt-centri from Torotrak?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car.../?src=nl&mag=rdt&list=nl_rdt_news&date=122116

Backed by the British government and in collaboration with both the University of Bath and the Ford Motor Company"

"V-Charge spins between 10,000 and 100,000 rpm"

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/torotrak-readies-v-charge-supercharger-downsized-engines

“We have developed the technology to a point that the concept is proven and it is ready to be commercialised, so there is no point in doing further work at this stage. Three major manufacturers are taking a serious look at V-Charge and analysing how they can use it in their applications.”

"Torotrak has installed a V-Charge system on a Ford Focus Titanium 1.0T Ecoboost"

Probably not, but sure would be cool!

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haha, topnotch gave us a link to that new Vcharge system about 5 months ago, was thinking he hinted it would be on the new S650 chassis, but maybe this is it??? Hmmm... mentions development/production for 2020-2022

BluByeU said:

Any guesses on what this next SE will achieve mph? I think the last GT500 was right at 200 mph.
With 5.2L, 800 +h/p and a centri I'm thinking 200 mph plus easily...

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Lots of factors, such as down force and gearing, as you know, factor in with this. But as far as guesses go, I'll go with 205.MPH


I tell yah, dual centrifugal superchargers, each one placed in the areas of those ribs in the vents WOULD get my juices flowing enough to buy. Balance that weight well and keep it under 4000 lbs... SOLD!!!

Darkane said:

. I truly hope voodoo gets updates for 550/450 ++.

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With revised gearing for better low rpm performance.

Darkane said:

I do feel a centrifugal would be unique enough. It hasn't been done in a while.

Lots of folks (including me until this year) knew that Ford and Shelby offered factory centrifugal supercharged packages for the GT350. 400hp

On top of that - the most powerful muscle car of the entire era was (very similar to now) a GT500 with twin centrifugal superchargers. See where this is sort of leading to?

http://www.mustangandfords.com/feat...ford-mustang-gt500-classic-muscle-car-review/

Edit: to answer your question about 1/4, nothing quicker than 10.5 BUT I'd love to see mph in the 130 area.

For example: a 1000hp hypercar will barely do 9.9@140. They'll weigh 600-800lbs less with cup rubber.

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Good post, I was thinking about how rare a centrifugal SC is a while back and when I looked up the history (on production cars) most of it was what you mentioned above. I think it could be pretty unique. I think it could legitimately run a 10.4-10.6 IF it's trapping 133-135. The advantage it has over those Hypercars is they make a lot less power as soon as those batteries are drained and not nearly the amount of torque. Also the 3 main Hypercars have all been recorded at 9.8 or faster with traps in the mid-high 140's.