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200lbs really doesnt make up for a 124hp/200ft/lb difference. It's just that the mustang is on better tires and has better suspension design (Contrary to what many of the C6 fanboys here think)
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No. It won't be. The Shelby is the flagship, top model, ultimate Mustang. It is not going to be matched by the GT.

So that means the 2018 PP2 Mustang is going to have trouble dealing with the SS1LE.
 

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I think he was referring to the R, not the standard GT350. Both PP2 and 1LE will likely run marginally faster than a GT350
 

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Again, another biased uninformed statement by a GM fan.

Consider this, the SS1LE and ZL1 ran back to back at big willow. The ZL1 ran a 126.16 and the 1LE ran a 1:28.29 ( A 2.13 second difference).

The ZL1 ran head to head at big willow against the GT350R and ran a 127.90 to the GT350Rs 128.29 (a 0.39 second difference).

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...olet-camaro-zl1-first-test-brute-squad-goals/
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...l1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/

The SS1LE is 2.13 seconds slower than the ZL1 and the GT350R is 0.39 seconds slower than the ZL1. The SS1LE is by no means as fast around big willow as a GT350R….lay down the crack pipe.

The PP2 should be nearly as quick as the 1LE…and still slower than the GT350R by a wide margin.
Not seeing the part about being misinformed. I didn't make up the links providing the track times between the SS1LE and the Gt350R. But my thoughts are how close will the PP2 car be to the SS1LE when the SS1LE is already neck and neck with the GT350R on those short tracks . And why does the ZL1 comparo come into this. The ZL1 1LE clobbers the GT350R
 

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You're completely missing the point here.

the point that he's making, is that the 1:28.29 that the SS 1LE ran was on the same day that the ZL1 ran a 1:26.16

the 1:28.29 that the GT350R ran was on the same day that that same ZL1 ran almost 2 seconds slower, with a 1:27.90

Therefore, with the GT350R and SS 1LE being run on the same day, there would be a fairly noticeable gap there, considering that on the same days, the 1LE is 2.13 seconds slower than the ZL1, while the GT350R is only .39 seconds slower. Logic would tell you that there's almost a 2 second gap between an SS 1LE and a GT350R
 

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Not seeing the part about being misinformed. I didn't make up the links providing the track times between the SS1LE and the Gt350R. But my thoughts are how close will the PP2 car be to the SS1LE when the SS1LE is already neck and neck with the GT350R on those short tracks . And why does the ZL1 comparo come into this. The ZL1 1LE clobbers the GT350R
Because you posted a bullshit reference of two different tests done on different days comparing the SS1LE and GT350R....and tried to infer they run identical times at big willow (which is false).

Your argument was that the SS1LE is already as fast as the GT350R (again, total bullshit) and therefore Ford won't allow the PP2 to be as fast.

There is a good 1.5-2 second delta between the GT350R and the 1LE of play room which is exactly where the PP2 is going to fall. Ford claims they ran the PP2 3 seconds faster around Gratten raceway than the PP1 which is precisely how far behind the PP1 was to the 1LE.

You've got to be an idiot to think the SS1LE is as fast as the GT350R around Big Willow...seriously. :crazy:
 

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You're completely missing the point here.

the point that he's making, is that the 1:28.29 that the SS 1LE ran was on the same day that the ZL1 ran a 1:26.16

the 1:28.29 that the GT350R ran was on the same day that that same ZL1 ran almost 2 seconds slower, with a 1:27.90

Therefore, with the GT350R and SS 1LE being run on the same day, there would be a fairly noticeable gap there, considering that on the same days, the 1LE is 2.13 seconds slower than the ZL1, while the GT350R is only .39 seconds slower. Logic would tell you that there's almost a 2 second gap between an SS 1LE and a GT350R
Exactly. Let's see if he actually does some research on this and loses his GM blinders for logic.

It's funny, GM fanboys have graduated from inferring that the 1LE "could" be as fast as a GT350 around some tracks to the 1LE "is" as fast as a GT350R around Big Willow. Where the hell do they come up with this garbage.
 

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Ford claims they ran the PP2 3 seconds faster around Grattan raceway than the PP1
3.5 seconds, thank you very much. Don't undercut us, now :cheers::lol:
 

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In fact, I just remembered... the SS 1LE and GT350R HAVE been run on the same track same day at Mazda Laguna Seca for Motor Trend's Best Driver's Car... The gap between the 1LE and GT350R was greater than the gap between the GT350R and the FREAKING MCLAREN 570S :headbang:
 

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Let me put it this way... on that day, the camaro was faster than a V12 Vantage and Jaguar F-type SVR, which doesn't sound too bad until you consider that the Shelby was faster than those, plus the BMW M4 GTS, Nissan GTR, Porsche 911 Turbo S, and the freaking Acura NSX
 

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Exactly. Let's see if he actually does some research on this and loses his GM blinders for logic.

It's funny, GM fanboys have graduated from inferring that the 1LE "could" be as fast as a GT350 around some tracks to the 1LE "is" as fast as a GT350R around Big Willow. Where the hell do they come up with this garbage.
A while back a few people started saying the 1LE was just as fast as the R. Soon it will be faster than the Ford GT and a stock SS will be a 10.9 stock every pass. The Camaro keeps getting faster and faster.
 

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A while back a few people started saying the 1LE was just as fast as the R. Soon it will be faster than the Ford GT and a stock SS will be a 10.9 stock every pass. The Camaro keeps getting faster and faster.
When you sales are failing and all hope is almost gone you still have your dreams :lol:
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