Austinj427
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It will.No doubt in my mind, especially if the 1LE wins.
It's much more aggressive than the PP1, hence the reason for the 2.
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It will.No doubt in my mind, especially if the 1LE wins.
The pp2 was made to compete with the 1LE. Why not wait ??Well to be fair, the 1LE is the only performance level upgrade from the base V8 car that actually explicitly spells that out. The GT Performance Pack is single level up from the V8 base car. They kinda do meet right face to face.
MSRC, MagneRide
Brake upgrade, Brake upgrade
Tire upgrade, Tire upgrade
I still think the 1LE will have the edge though. The Alpha is just a better chassis...sorry.
It's a pp1 so at least it's on summer tire but they are small compare to the 1le tires. Compare it with a pp2 and if the 1le beat it, it will be fair and I Would be ok with the results!At this stage of the game. I don’t really care anymore. Ford sends these cars to the magazines. So if their providing a grand tourer on all season tires. Against a track car. I’m betting the write up will go something like this. 1Le destroys the GT in almost every performance matrix. The GT will of course will be the more please Try day to day car with better ride, visibility and trunk space.
I'm fully aware of the tire advantage. Shame on Ford for not considering that then. And no, the PP2 was not made to compete with the 1LE, it was made to fill the gap between the GT PP and the GT350 in price and performance. Ford makes zero claims on what it's competitor is supposed to be on the other side of Detroit.The pp2 was made to compete with the 1LE. Why not wait ??
The 1LE have a tire advantage. It make a lot of difference
They don't need to make a claim. They usually don't. But it's clear to the majority that the pp2 is the direct competitor to the 1le.I'm fully aware of the tire advantage. Shame on Ford for not considering that then. And no, the PP2 was not made to compete with the 1LE, it was made to fill the gap between the GT PP and the GT350 in price and performance. Ford makes zero claims on what it's competitor is supposed to be on the other side of Detroit.
1LE, one level up from base
GT PP, one level up from base
Can't puff your chest out at one level up? You've lost. No one else's problem but the manufacturer who dun eff'ed it up or the buyer who was looking for an answer that isn't there. That goes for GM and Ford.
Bullshit. Just because both are one up levels does not necessitate comparison. With that type of idiotic reasoning we should start comparing the v6 comaro to the v8 mustang, as ford doesn’t offer a v6 variant and both are one engine trim up from base.I'm fully aware of the tire advantage. Shame on Ford for not considering that then. And no, the PP2 was not made to compete with the 1LE, it was made to fill the gap between the GT PP and the GT350 in price and performance. Ford makes zero claims on what it's competitor is supposed to be on the other side of Detroit.
1LE, one level up from base
GT PP, one level up from base
Can't puff your chest out at one level up? You've lost. No one else's problem but the manufacturer who dun eff'ed it up or the buyer who was looking for an answer that isn't there. That goes for GM and Ford.
Fixed it for you. Just because both are performance options does not mean they offer the same intent. Hell, the SS 1LE has wider front tires than the PP1 has rear.So..forgive me if I'm wrong..
the GTPP is the improved handling pack for the GT. The 1LE is the TRACK pack for the SS.
What you folks seem more mad about is that GM included what is essentially a GTPP into the SS as stock...
Maybe be a bit more mad at Ford for having the base GT be lacking than for the PP1 not being up to the same level as the 1LE.
Don't care about gm offering. Just want to compare apple to apple and Ford offer it on the 2018 for the first time.So..forgive me if I'm wrong..
the GTPP is the improved handling pack for the GT. The 1LE is the improved handling pack for the SS.
What you folks seem more mad about is that GM included what is essentially a GTPP into the SS as stock...
Maybe be a bit more mad at Ford for having the base GT be lacking than for the PP1 not being up to the same level as the 1LE.
Really? The non 1LE SS has magnetic ride and aggressive summer tires?What you folks seem more mad about is that GM included what is essentially a GTPP into the SS as stock...
Exactly this.Really? The non 1LE SS has magnetic ride and 285/305 tires?
Ford has 2 levels for it's "track oriented package"...with one getting basic upgrades and the other getting the most aggressive. Chevrolet only has 1 such level and it gets the most aggressive stuff. So it would only be fair to compare the most aggressive Mustang package to the most aggressive Camaro package. That's why people are complaining.
Ford just decided to do in 3 models (GT, GTPP1 and GTPP2) what Chevrolet did in 2 models (SS and SS1LE).
Really? The non 1LE SS has magnetic ride and 285/305 tires?
Ford has 2 levels for it's "track oriented package"...with one getting basic upgrades and the other getting the most aggressive. Chevrolet only has 1 such level and it gets the most aggressive stuff. So it would only be fair to compare the most aggressive Mustang package to the most aggressive Camaro package. That's why people are complaining.
Ford just decided to do in 3 models (GT, GTPP1 and GTPP2) what Chevrolet did in 2 models (SS and SS1LE).