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Mustang Vs Camaro (TTAC article) - 2016 Is Clearly Not The New Camaro’s Year

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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...ampaign=ttacnow20160623&utm_source=newsletter

Ford Mustang vs. Chevrolet Camaro: 2016 Is Clearly Not The New Camaro’s Year


On the Muscle Car Calendar, 2016 was supposed to be the Year of Camaro.

After outselling the Ford Mustang in the United States in five consecutive years between 2010 and 2014, it wasn’t surprising to see the Chevrolet Camaro fade into a distant second place in calendar year 2015. The Mustang was all-new in sixth-generation form for model year 2015; the Camaro was in its seventh and last year of its fifth iteration. The refreshed Dodge Challenger’s success may have played a role in the Camaro’s sharp decline, too, as 2015 was the seventh consecutive year of U.S. Challenger sales growth.

2016, with the reborn Camaro freshly reengineered and the Mustang no longer the freshest American muscle, is not turning out to be the Camaro’s time to shine.

Through the first five months of 2016, the Ford Mustang has outsold the Chevrolet Camaro by 21,324 units in the United States, a margin that may be impossible for the Camaro to overcome by year’s end.

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There are a number of business factors at play.

Automotive News
says Ford Motor Company’s Flat Rock, Michigan, assembly plant built more than 68,000 Mustangs in the first five months of 2016, while General Motors’ Lansing, Michigan, assembly plant built fewer than 49,000 Camaros.

According to Cars.com, Ford dealers have far greater inventory of affordable Mustangs; nearly double the number of sub-$30,000 Mustangs than Chevrolet dealers have sub-$30,000 Camaros.

Jim Cain (no relation to the author), GM’s senior manager of Chevrolet business communications, says this is the nature of launching a performance car.

“The early customers tend to be the most hardcore enthusiasts who are buying their dream car,” Cain says. “These customers are much more likely to check all the boxes — they want the most features and the most performance they can afford. As such, the first year of sales we expect to skew higher for V-8 models, manual transmissions, and higher trim levels.”

Outside of incentives, the base MSRP of a Chevrolet Camaro is 7-percent higher than the base price of the Ford Mustang; Camaro Convertible base prices are 10-percent higher, a $3,150 gap. The V8 variant of the Camaro is $4,000 more costly. GM’s Cain says incentives equal roughly $900 per Camaro at Chevrolet; $1,900 per Mustang at Ford. Erich Merkle, Ford spokesperson and sales analyst said, “Our Mustang incentive spend is in line with the segment average.”

Regardless of the levels of Mustang production and the heights of Camaro pricing, there’s no denying that the number of Camaros sold by Chevrolet is decreasing. Rapidly. And the number of Camaros sold is decreasing even though Chevrolet dealers have plenty of Camaros to sell.

Heading into May 2016, GM had a 71-day supply of roughly 20,000 Camaros, essentially on par with the industry’s 70-day average. Yet year-over-year, Camaro volume tumbled 40 percent to 5,827 units, a loss of 3,926 sales compared with May 2015 and by far the lowest-volume May since the Camaro’s 2009 return. Ford sold more than 10,000 Mustangs in May; the Dodge Challenger outsold the Camaro by 850 units in May, as well. Year-to-date, Camaro volume is down 6 percent compared with sales in 2015, a year in which Camaro volume fell to a six-year low.

Meanwhile, May was the Mustang’s third consecutive five-digit U.S. sales month. May 2016 Mustang sales fell 24 percent compared with May 2015, when Mustang volume soared to a the highest level in years. Through five months, Mustang volume is down 6 percent, as well, though for the Mustang this occurs one year after the all-new, highly regarded car lured waiting buyers into Ford showrooms; the year after Ford Mustang volume rose to an eight-year high.

The hard numbers don’t tell the whole story, however.
GM’s Cain says the Camaro is capturing an increased share of the retail market. “Camaro retail sales are up 13 percent so far this year. Fleet sales are down 53 percent,” Cain told TTAC in an email, while claiming that more than a quarter of Mustang sales head to daily rental fleets.

Yet even without those Mustang daily rental sales – 11,282 through the end of May, according to GM – the Mustang is still outselling its most direct Chevrolet rival — a rival which had the Ford pony car’s number for half a decade — by more than 10,000 units so far this year.

Questions posed to Ford on this subject were responded to largely with claims of overwhelming popularity.

“Mustang is the best-selling sports car both in total and in retail sales here in the U.S.,” Ford’s Erich Merkle told TTAC. Pointing to the fanfare Ford carved out with worldwide success a couple of months ago, Merkle says, “Not only is Mustang a top seller in America, but we are also the top seller globally.”

No matter how it find its customers, no matter the price those customers are willing to accept, it’s highly improbable that we’ll see the Camaro knock the Mustang down a peg by reclaiming its overall U.S. sales crown in calendar year 2016.

General Motors is on track to sell fewer than 75,000 Camaros in calendar year 2016, the lowest total since 61,648 were sold in the 2009 launch year. Even in decline, Ford is on track to sell more than 110,000 Mustangs in America this year. From here on out, the Camaro would need to outsell the Mustang by an average of 3,050 units per month to overcome the current deficit, and GM’s newfound unwillingness to trade heavily in the daily rental market makes that highly unlikely.

Both cars — indeed the Dodge Challenger, too — mark themselves out as decidedly mainstream purchases relative to the achievements of other sporting cars. The Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger are America’s 15th, 26th, and 28th best-selling passenger cars, respectively, so far this year. The Mustang outsells the Kia Optima and Volkswagen Jetta, the Camaro outsells the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and is within striking distance of the Chrysler 200, and the Challenger leads Chrysler’s own 300 as well as the Volkswagen Passat, BMW 3-Series, Nissan Maxima, Subaru Legacy, and Honda Fit.
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Read the whole article and comments section and pretty much agree with all of it. The 2016 Camaro is a flawed car for many reasons, despite how fast it is. It's the porridge that was too hot or too cold for Goldilocks--only certain people like the extremes. The Mustang is the porridge that's just right though, and that's why it sells.
 

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Read the whole article and comments section and pretty much agree with all of it. The 2016 Camaro is a flawed car for many reasons, despite how fast it is. It's the porridge that was too hot or too cold for Goldilocks--only certain people like the extremes. The Mustang is the porridge that's just right though, and that's why it sells.
Interesting analogy....:cheers:
 
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Read the whole article and comments section and pretty much agree with all of it. The 2016 Camaro is a flawed car for many reasons, despite how fast it is. It's the porridge that was too hot or too cold for Goldilocks--only certain people like the extremes. The Mustang is the porridge that's just right though, and that's why it sells.
You are spot on. If you told me two years ago that I would have Mustang, I would have called you nuts. Great bang for the buck and it really is a great car. I can't see out of the Camaro, in fact, I never got out of the parking it was so bad. Plus the dealer I bought the Mustang from is a Chev, Ford and Mopar, and the owner drives a Mustang, message in that!
 

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The "but Cain said that 25% of Mustang sales went to daily fleets"..

I swear that sounds like Camaro6 horseshit, he has no access to those figures.
 

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Fleets would not buy them if people hated them
 

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The "but Cain said that 25% of Mustang sales went to daily fleets"..

I swear that sounds like Camaro6 horseshit, he has no access to those figures.
Who knows, but I do know that locally here by the airport I see a metric shit ton of both (2016+)Camaro and (2015+)Mustang rental cars. GM is definitely still selling them to rental fleets.
 

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You are spot on. If you told me two years ago that I would have Mustang, I would have called you nuts. Great bang for the buck and it really is a great car. I can't see out of the Camaro, in fact, I never got out of the parking it was so bad. Plus the dealer I bought the Mustang from is a Chev, Ford and Mopar, and the owner drives a Mustang, message in that!
Tell me about it.

Last American car I owned with a V8 was a 95 9C1 Police Package Caprice that I bought at a Texas Police auction.

Would have never believed that I would happily get out of a BMW to get into another American V8.

BUT....

There is no replacement for displacement son!!!!!
 

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Who knows, but I do know that locally here by the airport I see a metric shit ton of both (2016+)Camaro and (2015+)Mustang rental cars. GM is definitely still selling them to rental fleets.
Of course they are...they may not make as much money on a fleet sale vs a retail sale, but they sure as hell sell to fleets.

Where he pulled the "25%" line from is the fact that last month 25% of Ford's sales were to fleets, so he's making the arrogant assumption that that must mean that 25% of every model is to fleets.

Just a GMoron trying to save face on their underperforming (sales wise) "Mustang killer".
 

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Tell me about it.

Last American car I owned with a V8 was a 95 9C1 Police Package Caprice that I bought at a Texas Police auction.

Would have never believed that I would happily get out of a BMW to get into another American V8.

BUT....

There is no replacement for displacement son!!!!!
That's like saying there is no replacement for RPMs.

You can develop power with each with advantages on either side.

That said, I'd rather have displacement plus RPMs.

:D
 

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Pretty much thePill's analysis... Although, selling 5000-6000 a month is far greater than a 71 day supply. It's nearing 100 days of stock...

Keep in mind, Ford sells ALL VEHICLES for profit, including the 10-20% of Rental/Fleet sales. I take it Chevy is losing money in Rental/Fleet? Bad business move again...

See how they said Camaro Rental sales are down 53%? So???

If the Camaro sold 20,000 rentals a year for 2013 and the retail sales are down 40% since then, wouldn't the Retail to Rental Ratio be very, very similar? Seems the only changes are sales overall. Also note Fleet and Rental are two different things. The Camaro is still very much a Fleet car for dealerships and company men.

No Global Camaro
It's overpriced
It's poor quality
Poor US sales
Poor Rental/Fleet

Wait until people start art calling BS on the magazine performance and see LT1's running hot :)
 

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Anyone who says you can't have large displacement and high revs obviously has never heard a race prepped 426 cross ram Hemi or 427 SOHC Ford screaming at 7,300 RPM....

It's bone chilling
 

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I used to sell Camaro and I still bought a mustang. The visibility out of the car is just awful compared to mustang.
 

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Anyone who says you can't have large displacement and high revs obviously has never heard a race prepped 426 cross ram Hemi or 427 SOHC Ford screaming at 7,300 RPM....

It's bone chilling
I spun my 468ci BBC to 7500 no problem and that was on factory crank and rods.
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