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Old 07-26-2017, 11:14 AM   #1
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Thumbs up 2019 GT500 Caught Benchmarking Porsche 911 GT3

If there was any doubt the level of performance that Ford is gunning for with the 2019 GT500-or-whatever-its-called Mustang, the company made it more clear in these latest photos we obtained of the high performance S550 prototype being benchmarked against the Porsche 911 GT3.

While the Mustang's heavy camouflage still leaves a lot to the imagination, we can see a visible hood bulge and large, beefy tires all around as seen in previous prototypes. The vehicle has been spotted testing with increasing frequency which is great news particularly against vehicles with starting prices well into the six-figures.


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Old 07-26-2017, 11:23 AM   #2
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Definite hood "bulge" and very wide back tires..........but who knows, the hood bulge could be there just to throw people off.
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Definite hood "bulge" and very wide back tires..........but who knows, the hood bulge could be there just to throw people off.
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FORD, PLEASE TEST THIS IN HOTTER CLIMATES!

GT3 destroys vettes in Texas summer heat.

Please make sure this will hang with a 6 x 30 min session at MSR Cresson, MSR Houston, Harris Hill, Driveway Austin, etc.
Hit up Uvalde PG, Fort Stockton PG etc soon to get your real thermal test.

Nevermind testing at COTA and TWS, the fast course and long straights give a failed sense of cooling system capacity.
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FORD, PLEASE TEST THIS IN HOTTER CLIMATES!

GT3 destroys vettes in Texas summer heat.

Please make sure this will hang with a 6 x 30 min session at MSR Cresson, MSR Houston, Harris Hill, Driveway Austin, etc.
Hit up Uvalde PG, Fort Stockton PG etc soon to get your real thermal test.

Nevermind testing at COTA and TWS, the fast course and long straights give a failed sense of cooling system capacity.
I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing...
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I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing...
There is a history of saving money on hot climate testing only to spend more than they saved on warranty repairs, bad press, and loss of grass roots motorsports users to 1LE cars.

Would you agree that Ford did not WANT these to happen:
1. Tech pack GT350s going into limp
2. GT PP cars needing aftermarket differential, oil, trans coolers
3. All the 2015-2016 AC evaporator failures when the temperatures go up and the higher system pressure results in refrigerant leaking into the cabin
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There is a history of saving money on hot climate testing only to spend more than they saved on warranty repairs, bad press, and loss of grass roots motorsports users to 1LE cars.

Would you agree that Ford did not WANT these to happen:
1. Tech pack GT350s going into limp
2. GT PP cars needing aftermarket differential, oil, trans coolers
3. All the 2015-2016 AC evaporator failures when the temperatures go up and the higher system pressure results in refrigerant leaking into the cabin
1. Personally, I think that's the consumers fault for not understanding the packages that existed at that time. Probably also a shortcoming on Ford Marketing not doing a better job of differentiating the difference in capabilities between the packages.

2. I'm not familiar with issues pertaining to Mustang GT's, I don't pay much attention to them. I do think we have to ask what % of the consumer base is actually pushing these cars to that level of performance on track and if there is a even business case to satisfy such a small group of individuals.

3. Sounds more like a supplier issue to me. That said, there are always issues with a brand new generation of car, so I'm not that surprised.

Frankly, at this point, I'm sure Ford has had a chance to read all the negative feedback about the supercharged GM cars. In fact, they probably have a few of their own in the fleet for comparison. Look at the level of performance the GT350 Track Pack and GT350R are capable of, I have no doubt that Ford Performance knows what they are doing.
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FORD, PLEASE TEST THIS IN HOTTER CLIMATES!

GT3 destroys vettes in Texas summer heat.

Please make sure this will hang with a 6 x 30 min session at MSR Cresson, MSR Houston, Harris Hill, Driveway Austin, etc.
Hit up Uvalde PG, Fort Stockton PG etc soon to get your real thermal test.

Nevermind testing at COTA and TWS, the fast course and long straights give a failed sense of cooling system capacity.
GT3 is NA and lightweight

If this GT500 is supercharged you can kiss that competing in the summer heat good bye.

There has been magazine review of the ZL1 with 11 coolers tracking all day. But now that they are in customer hands, well...

Crazy high oil and transmission temps:
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There has been magazine review of the ZL1 with 11 coolers tracking all day. But now that they are in customer hands, well...

Crazy high oil and transmission temps:
Ooo, that is not good. Just when I thought GM had nipped this in the bud too.
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Ooo, that is not good. Just when I thought GM had nipped this in the bud too.
You can cool a lump of coal only so much...
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GT3 is NA and lightweight

If this GT500 is supercharged you can kiss that competing in the summer heat good bye.

There has been magazine review of the ZL1 with 11 coolers tracking all day. But now that they are in customer hands, well...

Crazy high oil and transmission temps:
I currently track a 2015 Whippled GT Auto with a 4.0 pulley and mods for cooling.
Fly into Austin and come sit in for a 30 minute session at the track at 100F at noon.
Open invite to anyone w Ford too. Just PM.

Ford has done an amazing job, and I doubt any Ford engineer would ever be satisfied to stop improving.
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GT3 is NA and lightweight

If this GT500 is supercharged you can kiss that competing in the summer heat good bye.

There has been magazine review of the ZL1 with 11 coolers tracking all day. But now that they are in customer hands, well...

Crazy high oil and transmission temps:
As reported.

Even with 11 coolers, the ZL1 needs an AC Delete. I would hate to see temperatures in a little traffic.

Only 80 degrees and we see 293 degree oil temps and 275 degree trans temps in 6 laps at 1:40 a lap. 2 of those were cool down laps


Are you seeing this guys? A major factor as to why the ZL1-1LE didn't get an auto. It cooks the engine and trans when drivin properly.

Good video, this is exactly what thePill warned about 18-20 months ago.

We can't use a supercharger in the GT500. The base ZL1 needed more brake/tire and a tighter structure to put the power down as well as an AC delete. The A10 cooked the LT4 so it was left out of the extreme edition.

Good stuff, even though this is a mild summer, this is still being witnessed.
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FORD, PLEASE TEST THIS IN HOTTER CLIMATES!

GT3 destroys vettes in Texas summer heat.

Please make sure this will hang with a 6 x 30 min session at MSR Cresson, MSR Houston, Harris Hill, Driveway Austin, etc.
Hit up Uvalde PG, Fort Stockton PG etc soon to get your real thermal test.

Nevermind testing at COTA and TWS, the fast course and long straights give a failed sense of cooling system capacity.
Don't worry. They test all their high performance cars and trucks in the much hotter deserts of Arizona and SoCa near Death Valley. I've seen them on road and in tracks in 112 degree heat. Don't worry. Testing in MI in the summer with 85-92 degree heat and high humidity is better suited to TX across to FL.
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FORD, PLEASE TEST THIS IN HOTTER CLIMATES!

GT3 destroys vettes in Texas summer heat.

Please make sure this will hang with a 6 x 30 min session at MSR Cresson, MSR Houston, Harris Hill, Driveway Austin, etc.
Hit up Uvalde PG, Fort Stockton PG etc soon to get your real thermal test.

Nevermind testing at COTA and TWS, the fast course and long straights give a failed sense of cooling system capacity.
This! Plus an added benefit is they can drive 30 miles north to Leakey and hit up the Three Sisters (AKA: The Twisted Sisters) for some corner carving!
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