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I have bought a lot of new cars over the years, and I have never had a single dealer offer me anywhere close to what the KBB says that my trade in is supposedly worth. You always get screwed on a trade-in, which is why I always wind up selling my car myself.

After doing more research, I am now leaning towards the ZLE. The main reasons are 1) after reading the engine failure thread (and excessive oil consumption), I am worried about the dependability of the GT350 (one of the GT350 owner Youtube channels I subscribed to had his engine fail a couple...

I agree completely. The non-functioning vents on the Supra are completely over the top in terms of pretty much none of them being functional. I told the salesman that was showing me the car as much and he really didn't have a response.

The M2 Comp didn't "became so bad." If you actually look at the ratings and the numbers that they give, the M2 actually comes in first place in 2 of the 4 categories. It is in first place for the category "vehicle" and first place for the category "Powertrain." It loses in the very...

I've seen the Supra in person. I actually love the way it looks, with the very notable exception of the front grille. It looks like a sucker fish of some type and completely ruins the overall look of the car.

In what way?

Camaro has a better interior, more horsepower, more torque, is faster and handles at least as good at the GT350. That said, I'd still rather have the GT350.

Amazing how things have changed. It wasn't that long ago dealers were getting $20k over sticker.

I test drove an M2 and didn't notice any turbo lag to speak of at all. Great car.

I was honestly more impressed with the handling of the ZLE than I was with how quick it was. Probably because I expected to be quick, but I didn't expect it to handle as good as it did (and I have owned some excellent handling cars, including Porsche and Lotus).

Objectively I would have to say that a ZLE at $13k below sticker (and I completely believe that number) is a better value than a GT350 R because of dealer markups. I *think* I would rather have the R though (no way for me to say for sure until I am able to actually drive one). I get the...

Funny that you should say that. I actually did go to the Chevy dealer, and they did let me test drive a Camaro ZL1 1LE. I was actually very impressed with that car. It was very fast (which I expected) but it also handled really good, which was a surprise to me. But the visibility is terrible...

The "discussion" that I had with a salesperson at the Ford dealer was a joke. The guy was a complete douche. Super uppity, literally laughed at me when I asked about the possibility of a test drive in the GT350 (non R) that they had on the lot, and went into some long tirade about not even...

That's a smoking deal. The dealer near me (Riverside CA) wants $20k over sticker for their R.