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[ame] This is the future of combustion engines. GM has been working on this for a while. Same with Ford. There was rumor the LS2 was supposed to be camless. This will take the combustion engine from a performance and emissions/gas mileage standpoint to a whole nother level. Lift, duration...

[ame] Larger engines can rev too!

Nope it was not the 3.73 manual. None of the different trans and gear combos from the Mustang made more net torque in first gear than the auto Camaro except one. And it was by a small margin. But when you throw in weight and torque converters, it changes the equation of acceleration. Your...

Im insinuating that you cant back your argument up. You asked me to do it lol. Youre a good debater. I did do the math though and the auto Camaro makes more net torque in first gear than almost all gear/trans combinations for the 2015 Coyote Mustang. One Combo the Mustang made slightly more BUT...

You said the Coyote makes more torque than the LT1 in first gear which makes no sense at all. Now if you want to say Coyote in chassis A makes more net torque than LT1 in chassis b in forst gear, well how much more does it make? You say the Coyote Mustang makes significantly more net torque in...

How do you say the Coyote or Voodoo makes more net torque and then talk gear ratios? Thats a whole different argument. And as pointed out on a chassis dyno both cars are dynod in a 1:1 ratio gear. But since you bring it up, i'd like to see your results between the two, not some explanation of...

I thought they eliminated them. I stand corrected.

It puts out more torque in first gear? What? How does an engine make more net torque than another in first gear? Do you mean torque multiplication from gearing? But how can that be, we're talking engines alone. Explain and show us where you see this...

The non TIVCT engine will just produce less torque and have tighter power curves, less midrange and low end. Put peak numbers will be the same. Emissions would also suffer. But it is not as you say why the Coyote makes close to the same power. The cam in the LS3 has less duration and is a huge...

Like i said i totally get what youre saying. But cam's idle position are in relation to the TIVCT function. The TIVCT isnt acually giving a cam more power.

I saw 91 horsepower. Are you sure youre not looking at peak torque with stock cam vs peak horsepower after cam swap?

It doesnt increase power. It spreads the power out throught the rpm band. It cant make more power than the cams can on their fixed, best possible valve events. It can not maximize peak power any further than that. It can just smoothen out the power curves at that point. I totally get what you...

What happens is the cams can go to a wider LSA at lower and midrange RPMS while tightening LSA in the top end. It minimizes the losses of torque and low-midrange power while keeping optimal top end power. Theres always a trade off, especially for smaller engines when reved higher. The TVICT...

Explain...

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-tech-performance/2729408-max-effort-ls3-cam-only-setup-lg-or-spinmonster.html Here's a few different cammed LS3s. Gaining up to 91 rwhp from just the cam. They include track times on some.

That term is used loosly. Just like how you hear race cars claiming "stock suspension" when actually the whole suspension is aftermarket, just using factory locations. Or when you hear stock block, but the block is no where near factory anymore.

The crappy factory exhaust manifolds become a huge restriction at that point. They flow poorly. But gains of 100 rwhp after header install isnt uncommon. Or 60- 70 rwhp gains from doing headers after a cam install.

The LS3 and LT1 have pretty much the same cam as the LS6 5.7. Even in the 5.7 it is a small cam. The TIVCT just helps with the Coyote's low end and power curve by adjusting lobe seperation angle at different RPM ranges. It does nothi g for peak power. 90-100 rwhp from just a cam change is not...

I know the the 4.6 is as wide as a 460 ci big block. Im sure the Coyote is at the very least the same size. Also, Ford does/has makes a 6.2. Its the 6.2 sohc truck emgine that makes 380-411 horsepower. Why isnt that being brought up? I know better that engine has more potential. It just goes to...

The LS3 is more restricted from the factory than the Coyote fie to controlling emissions. Larger engines produce more exhaust gasses at lower engine speeds which is why large motors are being phased out. This is why LS3s have gained upwards of almost 100 rwhp from a cam change.