Ditto. Character flaw. Just ask my ex.I do apologize, but I have a problem with leaving anything negative open.
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Ditto. Character flaw. Just ask my ex.I do apologize, but I have a problem with leaving anything negative open.
A "RaceGas additive" and actual race fuel are 2 VERY different things.http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=571948&postcount=201
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BOOM!!!!...in the face of liverchops!!You didn't say anything about metallurgy data, you simply said the top ringland was too high and the skirts were too thin. I was showing you that I didn't agree on your statement and why. However I did mention that the piston design in certain other areas wasn't meant for high boost it was intended for exactly what I said in my post emissions and concentrated burn.
You say "This is what happens when you are a company that specializes in import turbo motors". If only we did just that, if only. You must of missed our multiple 1000hp+ LS builds, our Coyote Twin Turbo Kit, and any pictures of our shop that show the lack of turbo 4 cyl's lately. We do specialize in a lot of areas and we do a lot of private builds, and the past few years have been less and less "import turbo motors". So, if you could accurately describe our company that would be swell, its not that hard its the name of the company; Modern Automotive Performance. Not Import Turbo Engine Performance.
New to the platform, I give you that. However, new to engine dynamics and calibration far from. I mean, everyone is new to a platform at one point, but it's not hard to take your previous engine experience and the theory of how something works and implement it to something new. If I don't have the answer I will take the appropriate steps to find the answers. Then show the process in which I used to develop a solution or answer to a problem. I think that is the main difference between being new to a platform and someone that can say "nobody else offers more support" for a platform. People will just believe whatever that company says because they think they have the answers, where I have to prove why my conclusions and products are possibly the best choice. This seems to be working out just fine just ask the many customers that "entrust" us to enhance their vehicle experience.
Now that I have wasted another post space with text that is clearly not contributing to the topic at hand I will bid this thread farewell.
This comment alone speaks volumes. Comical that a tuning company who claims to know turbo applications would say this.:lol:If the motor is breaking with the stock baby turbo...why put a larger more powerful one on?
Far as I can see that is true. I don't really care if someone doesn't like my opinion but I have mad respect for Brad, Jaimie and Adam. I don't care how long one has with an EB or that someone tuned an import. The principles still apply and you don't wake up cranking this much power out of an engine not knowing what you're doing.No one has come in and had a discussion about making 450+ ft/lbs of torque on the stock bottom end. I haven't seen anyone else push over 450 Ft/lbs either. I put my engine at jeopardy not a customers and I did this so we would know, and it held up for several days abused and finally let go when I had free time on my dyno to see what it was pushing. I was headed to the track with it the next day to find out if I could meet my goal.
I was pushing it stupid hard for a reason. If you read through my posts you will see why.
I'm glad that business is doing so well. On the other hand, w/ all of the manufacturer support you have, I question why you turn down the opportunity to be the leader in development of what is probably going to be one of the most popular engine platforms in the world in the very near future. I've stated it before, whoever either 'cracks the code', or develops a reasonably priced fueling solution first is going to have more business than they know what to do w/...here and abroad.A "RaceGas additive" and actual race fuel are 2 VERY different things.
There have been several vendors that have outfitted the S550 with big turbo kits months ago, that is nothing new. But the issue still remains that the engine is out of fuel. If this was not the case why is it that it took a gutted car, race fuel, slicks and skinnies, a 3.73 gears (which are not even available on this car), a huge turbo and Lord only knows what else along with no intake or exhaust to beat our 11.8 run with a car that was minus a seat, intake, STOCK DP, MS109 and slicks and skinnies? Tuning. There were several very large vendors that inquired about us tuning their builds way back before and at the PRI show. We respectfully have declined as we do not even have room for all of the manufacturer and client work that we have at the moment. At night every bit of our 36k sq ft facility is utilized as a parking lot.
You're not. There just haven't been any in-depth threads on the head yet.I guess I'm the only one more concerned with the head than the bottom end. Bottom end is a weekend rebuild job. Porting the head is a pretty annoying shipping process with downtime.
I've mostly been watching to learn. I'm a V8/SC guy, still have my 06 pushing 480hp/450tq that I could only do safely by going to forums and reading threads like this. My EBM is my daily driver. I need to keep it reliable, good on gas and FUN!
HUGE Thanks to Brad for starting this thread, sharing his findings AND for his patience. I know you were hoping that we could keep this civil but you had to know vendors would have to do their chest bumping and then their fan boys have to jump in. To be honest even though on the surface it seems destructive, that's when they flex their muscles and break out data to prove their points. I've learned SO much from this thread so thanks for not shutting it down. Thanks to all the members that have added meaningful information (too many to count), it all helps!
Brad started this thread saying he lost a rod at ~420 to (sorry if I mis-quote or get exact details wrong). Later we learned he was running as high as 470 to if I remember correctly. The point was to alert us and we could start understanding safe limits on the stock LB. he then said,
Far as I can see that is true. I don't really care if someone doesn't like my opinion but I have mad respect for Brad, Jaimie and Adam. I don't care how long one has with an EB or that someone tuned an import. The principles still apply and you don't wake up cranking this much power out of an engine not knowing what you're doing.
Something I learned from Adam and will watch for in whichever tune I end up getting is something I learned early on breaking parts, sudden torque breaks stuff. I like the idea of bringing in the torque a little more gradually but I don't like the curve for the big turbo, mine is not a race car and will not be at redline all the time. I want it to be peppy under light throttle too the way Ford designed it. Not meant to be disrespectful but I want to stay away from a curve like the one that broke the rod, very low RPM, very high immediate tq. I'm no mechanic but looking at that rod and reading Brad's posts, I'm betting that rod was bent on a previous pull and just happened to let go on this pull. It bent and broke rather than shattered the way we heard earlier. I still have a lot of faith in this engine and believe we will work out good safe numbers with it.
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The reasoning is simple there are several platforms that are coming in the near future that we cannot infringe upon. Forum conjecture is just that, guessing. There is a solution lying inside of the 2nd gen of the EB platform, but we cannot go over those things or what will solve the problem. The backing that we have is a gift, and a curse.I'm glad that business is doing so well. On the other hand, w/ all of the manufacturer support you have, I question why you turn down the opportunity to be the leader in development of what is probably going to be one of the most popular engine platforms in the world in the very near future. I've stated it before, whoever either 'cracks the code', or develops a reasonably priced fueling solution first is going to have more business than they know what to do w/...here and abroad.
We're not bashing anyone. We are being bashed for trying to provide a little inside information. We try to help as much as possible, but there are several solutions that we cannot discuss. We get the brunt of everyone's frustrations because we are restricted on some of the info/data that we can share.If Your wondering so much about fuel and race gas vs race gas additive can you please explain to me
livernois how my stock fuel system and stock turbo made 352/410 with e30 from the pump no custom blend of fuel with a cobb and adam tuning my car.I recall that's the stock whp stock turbo record so stop bashing you competition to make yourself sound better.
Competition? We only look at other manufacturers of product as competition. LMS's competition is Cobb.If Your wondering so much about fuel and race gas vs race gas additive can you please explain to me
livernois how my stock fuel system and stock turbo made 352/410 with e30 from the pump no custom blend of fuel with a cobb and adam tuning my car.I recall that's the stock whp stock turbo record so stop bashing you competition to make yourself sound better.