Anybody buying this media fueled COVID-19 bull schitt?

[Bikeman315]

Agreed. But the emoji is kinda in the middle wouldn't you agree? That's why I wasn't sure, lol.

Nope.

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[Jimmy Dean]

Ok, so in your reply you’ve covered a LOT of ground so I’ll attempt to focus primarily on the key points of “disagreement” (I’m using that term loosely because I don’t think we’re THAT far away from each other, rather the language being used and the format available).

Straight up, I’ll state that I sit very much middle or ever-so-slightly left of Aussie politics, although that changes depending on the issue at hand, because I don’t hold EITHER perspective to be 100% right when measured across multiple domains. Call me weird.
I’ve voted in both directions over the years, typically based on key policies. This might put me on the left in the US? I can’t say for sure but that’s how it appears.

Ok, so what’s inherently wrong with the courses you mentioned? Are they teaching the kids WHAT to think or simply presenting them with some ideas that they might attempt to dissect?
“Querying the bible” was one of the courses you mentioned. Why should people NOT query the bible or ANY book that purports to offer absolute truth? I simply don’t understand how anything can be above scrutiny.

You mention equality. Fine. I’m all for equality of opportunity. You’ll never get equal outcome and the reasons for this are obvious. I’ve spent enough time listening to Jordan Peterson (who I appreciate, agree and disagree with simultaneously) to understand the issue at hand through a certain lens. To suggest that “equality of outcome” is a leftist ideal is to assume that all leftists hold that view. They don’t. SOME lefty’s will support it, but that doesn’t make it a leftist ideal.
It would be like asserting that religion is the premise of the right because some on the right support the notion or that because SOME atheists are humanitarians, that ALL humanitarians are atheists. It’s clearly wrong.
While we’re talking “equality of opportunity”, wouldn’t socialised healthcare come under that banner? Why should a child be denied access due to the life choices (or in many cases misfortune) of their parents?

Everybody gets a trophy. Yep, that’s just crazy. Agreed. Did the left ask for this or was this just soccer mums feeling pissed that little Tommy didn’t win a prize? How this is linked to the left is beyond me.

I agree that there will always be the rich and the poor. The aim might be to reach a point where 10% of the nation don’t hold 80% of the wealth (I’m making up numbers here).
If you design a system, not knowing where you might reside in it, you’ll usually come up with a fairer system. Yes, employers need to make more than their employees. The disagreement becomes simply how MUCH more? What do we do with those who are disabled either from birth or injury? Should they live an impoverished life due to circumstances beyond their control? How much is “enough”?
I can’t answer those questions, but I’ll probably keep asking them until the day I stop breathing.

Based on the responses you’ve provided to date, I’m hoping that you can see some logic (along with some disagreement) in what I’ve written above. I’m also hoping that my use of language hasn’t obscured the nuances of the points I’m trying to make.

he didn't say Querying the Bible, he said Queering the Bible. very different. not a class on how to analyze and question it, it is a class on gaying it up. literally.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

That’s why we have these.........

And sigs...

 

[Flimflamman]

Ok, so in your reply you’ve covered a LOT of ground so I’ll attempt to focus primarily on the key points of “disagreement” (I’m using that term loosely because I don’t think we’re THAT far away from each other, rather the language being used and the format available).

Straight up, I’ll state that I sit very much middle or ever-so-slightly left of Aussie politics, although that changes depending on the issue at hand, because I don’t hold EITHER perspective to be 100% right when measured across multiple domains. Call me weird.
I’ve voted in both directions over the years, typically based on key policies. This might put me on the left in the US? I can’t say for sure but that’s how it appears.

Ok, so what’s inherently wrong with the courses you mentioned? Are they teaching the kids WHAT to think or simply presenting them with some ideas that they might attempt to dissect?
“Querying the bible” was one of the courses you mentioned. Why should people NOT query the bible or ANY book that purports to offer absolute truth? I simply don’t understand how anything can be above scrutiny.

You mention equality. Fine. I’m all for equality of opportunity. You’ll never get equal outcome and the reasons for this are obvious. I’ve spent enough time listening to Jordan Peterson (who I appreciate, agree and disagree with simultaneously) to understand the issue at hand through a certain lens. To suggest that “equality of outcome” is a leftist ideal is to assume that all leftists hold that view. They don’t. SOME lefty’s will support it, but that doesn’t make it a leftist ideal.
It would be like asserting that religion is the premise of the right because some on the right support the notion or that because SOME atheists are humanitarians, that ALL humanitarians are atheists. It’s clearly wrong.
While we’re talking “equality of opportunity”, wouldn’t socialised healthcare come under that banner? Why should a child be denied access due to the life choices (or in many cases misfortune) of their parents?

Everybody gets a trophy. Yep, that’s just crazy. Agreed. Did the left ask for this or was this just soccer mums feeling pissed that little Tommy didn’t win a prize? How this is linked to the left is beyond me.

I agree that there will always be the rich and the poor. The aim might be to reach a point where 10% of the nation don’t hold 80% of the wealth (I’m making up numbers here).
If you design a system, not knowing where you might reside in it, you’ll usually come up with a fairer system. Yes, employers need to make more than their employees. The disagreement becomes simply how MUCH more? What do we do with those who are disabled either from birth or injury? Should they live an impoverished life due to circumstances beyond their control? How much is “enough”?
I can’t answer those questions, but I’ll probably keep asking them until the day I stop breathing.

Based on the responses you’ve provided to date, I’m hoping that you can see some logic (along with some disagreement) in what I’ve written above. I’m also hoping that my use of language hasn’t obscured the nuances of the points I’m trying to make.

I myself lean a little to the right. Though some may think otherwise. You are instantly labeled once you agree with one or the other. Frustrating at times... but it is what it is. I have thick skin so I don't sweat it.

Both sides have good ideas. The problem I have is that they tend to go to far when implementing them (or at least try too). I have been both a Democrat and Republican, and just got fed up with the BS and do not affiliate myself with either side anymore.

I strongly support our 2nd Amendment. I'm not a card carrying NRA member though. This is an issue that is clearly championed by the Right. However, the Right does need to bend more on some things, such as gun show loopholes and background checks.

I think we should have national health care, similar to what the UK has (NHS). Nobody should be forced into bankruptcy or crippled financially by health care bills, whether self inflicted (smoking) or not (cancer). This is an issue championed by the Left. However, the Left tries to take it to far with additions such as wanting abortions to take place without limits. I support the right to choose, but there has to be limits, such as late term abortions.

And this might muddy the waters some, but I don't want to be taxed any more than I already am. I support keeping the government limited as much as possible. It has its place in some spaces, but is not necessary in others. We could accomplish many things with current taxes, such as national health care. So much is wasted it is ridiculous.

So call me weird too I suppose.

You are right and I agree. Equality is a shared viewpoint from all. However, I think there are views of equality, or umbrellas, that are more Left and Right.

I'm not a religious person, but respect all religions. In short, I'm of the "be a good person" faith. In the US, the Left shits on Christian's at every opportunity (which aggravates religious people that are Left). Courses provided such as "Queering the Bible" is academia's Leftist version of doing such. Granted... some religious people go to far (both Left and Right... such as not being fond of gays), and there is nothing wrong with someone being queer. This is something that would fall under the Left's equality umbrella, IMHO.

Participation trophies are a branch of an idea from the Left that structured around building self-esteem for children. It's for the children... how could you not be for the children?

I agree that the difference in pay from executive to grinder is off balance. They keep doing it because they are willing to pay them those gross amounts tied to golden parachutes. There would have to be a change in the market for that demand, or the government would have to intervene. If the government intervenes, then we're on a slippery slope. So I'd oppose that. Look at what professional athletes make. They continue to make massive amounts of money because that is what teams are willing to pay them. I don't blame any of them for taking advantage of those situations. But yeah... they make WAY to much more than they should.

I appreciate your point of view whether we agree or not.

 

[Flimflamman]

The State of Georgia is experiencing a HUGE spike in cases. Blowing away the peak in March. However, and thankfully, deaths remain very low at under 20 per day (RIP).

The Governor said that people better start wearing masks, especially if they want to see some college football this fall. Yes... college football is that serious 'round here.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

I myself lean a little to the right. Though some may think otherwise. You are instantly labeled once you agree with one or the other. Frustrating at times... but it is what it is. I have thick skin so I don't sweat it.

Both sides have good ideas. The problem I have is that they tend to go to far when implementing them (or at least try too). I have been both a Democrat and Republican, and just got fed up with the BS and do not affiliate myself with either side anymore.

I strongly support our 2nd Amendment. I'm not a card carrying NRA member though. This is an issue that is clearly championed by the Right. However, the Right does need to bend more on some things, such as gun show loopholes and background checks.

I think we should have national health care, similar to what the UK has (NHS). Nobody should be forced into bankruptcy or crippled financially by health care bills, whether self inflicted (smoking) or not (cancer). This is an issue championed by the Left. However, the Left tries to take it to far with additions such as wanting abortions to take place without limits. I support the right to choose, but there has to be limits, such as late term abortions.

And this might muddy the waters some, but I don't want to be taxed any more than I already am. I support keeping the government limited as much as possible. It has its place in some spaces, but is not necessary in others. We could accomplish many things with current taxes, such as national health care. So much is wasted it is ridiculous.

So call me weird too I suppose.

You are right and I agree. Equality is a shared viewpoint from all. However, I think there are views of equality, or umbrellas, that are more Left and Right.

I'm not a religious person, but respect all religions. In short, I'm of the "be a good person" faith. In the US, the Left shits on Christian's at every opportunity (which aggravates religious people that are Left). Courses provided such as "Queering the Bible" is academia's Leftist version of doing such. Granted... some religious people go to far (both Left and Right... such as not being fond of gays), and there is nothing wrong with someone being queer. This is something that would fall under the Left's equality umbrella, IMHO.

Participation trophies are a branch of an idea from the Left that structured around building self-esteem for children. It's for the children... how could you not be for the children?

I agree that the difference in pay from executive to grinder is off balance. They keep doing it because they are willing to pay them those gross amounts tied to golden parachutes. There would have to be a change in the market for that demand, or the government would have to intervene. If the government intervenes, then we're on a slippery slope. So I'd oppose that. Look at what professional athletes make. They continue to make massive amounts of money because that is what teams are willing to pay them. I don't blame any of them for taking advantage of those situations. But yeah... they make WAY to much more than they should.

I appreciate your point of view whether we agree or not.

most gun owners are fine with increasing background checks to all sales. as long as you beef up the system, and give us something back in return that was taken away. Like repeal the NFA.

 

[Silver Bullitt]

Well isn't this interesting.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...oquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

 

[Burkey]

Well isn't this interesting.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...oquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

I’m still waiting for the clinical double blind trial and publishing in a respected journal.
Meanwhile, despite the fact that Remdisivir and Hydroxychloroquine don’t (at this stage) appear to be all that compatible, the US (where Remdisivir is manufactured) has purchased almost the entire stock of the drug both now and into the future.

Forgetting about politics for a moment, if Remdisivir was to prove to be the “winner”, where does this put the US in the future? If another nation develops a vaccine, where exactly will the US be in the pecking order of distribution? I’d think somewhere near the bottom.

It’s also interesting that in Australia, where neither of these drugs carry any political stigma, there is zero talk about hydroxychloroquine and a LOT about Remdisivir and the potential of similar drugs.
Food for thought.

Here’s what’s actually going on:

“The US Government announced on Tuesday President Donald Trump struck a deal to buy 500,000 treatments of remdesivir from its makers at Gilead Sciences.
That represents 100 per cent of the company's July production capacity and 90 per cent of its capacity in August and September.”

Seems odd that they’d be buying nearly all of the available supply of a drug that appears to be incompatible with Hydroxychloroquine if HC is the drug of choice...
It’s also worth noting that Remdisivir “is the only drug licensed by both the US and the European Union as a treatment for those with severe illness from coronavirus.”

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200616/hydroxychloroquine-remdesivir-combo-dangerous-fda#1

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...t-supply-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir/12416048

 

[Weather Man]

Well this is awkward, I demand a refund on my white privilege card!

Overall, hospital system patients in the study experienced an 18.1% in-hospital mortality rate. Regardless of treatment, mortality was highest in:

• Patients older than 65,
• Patients who identified as Caucasian,
• Patients admitted with reduced oxygen levels,
• Patients who required ICU admission.

Trump was right, yet again. How many did the D's and fake news kill because of their hatred.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

 

[Bikeman315]

Well isn't this interesting.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...oquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

No, not really. Sample is far too small and the variables way to large for this to really mean anything. But if it actually did help some of the folks, I’m happy for them.

 

[Bikeman315]

Well this is awkward, I demand a refund on my white privilege card!

Overall, hospital system patients in the study experienced an 18.1% in-hospital mortality rate. Regardless of treatment, mortality was highest in:

• Patients older than 65,
• Patients who identified as Caucasian,
• Patients admitted with reduced oxygen levels,
• Patients who required ICU admission.

Trump was right, yet again. How many did the D's and fake news kill because of their hatred.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

Honestly everyone, including the President, at this point is way past the conversation about Hydroxychloroquine. Is was a blip on the radar when Trump needed something to talk about while still telling everyone the fake virus was just going to go away.

 

[Burkey]

Well this is awkward, I demand a refund on my white privilege card!

Overall, hospital system patients in the study experienced an 18.1% in-hospital mortality rate. Regardless of treatment, mortality was highest in:

• Patients older than 65,
• Patients who identified as Caucasian,
• Patients admitted with reduced oxygen levels,
• Patients who required ICU admission.

Trump was right, yet again. How many did the D's and fake news kill because of their hatred.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

It seems that you missed the most important part of the article.

“Dr. Zervos also pointed out, as does the paper, that the study results should be interpreted with some caution, should not be applied to patients treated outside of hospital settings and require further confirmation in prospective, randomized controlled trials that rigorously evaluate the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19.”

In other words, the results are NOT conclusive and further studies are required.
But yeah, other than that, Trump was dead right.

 

[Burkey]

Honestly everyone, including the President, at this point is way past the conversation about Hydroxychloroquine. Is was a blip on the radar when Trump needed something to talk about while still telling everyone the fake virus was just going to go away.

Are we still waiting for the heat to slow it down or is that forgotten about? Did they get anywhere with the disinfectant and ultra-violet light yet?
I suppose that if you make enough predictions, you’re bound to be right on one of them eventually.

 

[Bikeman315]

Are we still waiting for the heat to slow it down or is that forgotten about? Did they get anywhere with the disinfectant and ultra-violet light yet?
I suppose that if you make enough predictions, you’re bound to be right on one of them eventually.

Question, are Aussies being as stubborn as many Americans in the handling of the virus. The number of cases is skyrocketing and the death rate will follow suit in a few weeks. Meanwhile we are having Covid-19 parties. Even Rod Serling couldn’t have written this.

 

[16s550]

Well they are definitely using it to transfer wealth and restructure things. Unfortunately it does exist, and currently is affecting certain people. I’m not exactly sure how it moves but multiple cases popped up after small get together for my bro’s baby shower. Glad I didn’t go. Not all tested positive but several did. My Sister had some breathing difficulties and cough that wouldn’t go away. What stumps me is for example sister got it her husband didn’t. My step mom got it, and my dad didn’t. Also everyone who got seems to be recovering. I have not seen them. It must spread a little differently than we think. I have cousin in Mexico that is in hospital and is put on oxygen. I also know people who know people. It’s getting trippy now 7 months in and now hearing cases with people I know let alone my family. I guess we will just have to let this play out, but I do think certain precautions should be taken for time being.

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