What’s Up With Anti-Science Belief?

[shogun32]

From the desk of Govn'a Blackface (VA)
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/m...Wear-Face-Covering-While-Inside-Buildings.pdf

The requirement to wear a face covering does not apply to following:
...
6. Persons with health conditions that prohibit wearing a face covering.
Nothing in this Order shall require the use of a face covering by any person for whom doing so would be contrary to his or her health or safety because of a medical condition. Any person who declines to wear a face covering because of a medical condition shall not be required to produce or carry medical documentation verifying the stated condition nor shall the person be required to identify the precise underlying medical condition.

See I have this medical condition known as an allergy to stupid and ignorant sheep who actually believe the incessant lies promulgated by the MSM which furthermore conveniently forgets to report on the updated positions (we call this 'waffling') of the WHO and Dr. crooked-ass bureaucrat Fouci etc. and who are also more than happy to celebrate the non-necessity of masks to prevent the spread of Wuhan-19 if it's in the service of "protest", or if your skin color is not-white (recent Lincoln county, Oregon policy) and you are under the delusion "racial profiling" is significantly more injurious to your well-being than the virus floating around in the air.

I also have a medical condition known as "I'm not putting a highly bacteria-infested mask on my face, which furthermore causes hot filthy breath to go up my face and into my eyes and thus significantly raising the likelihood of infection (nose/eyes are RIPE targets) of any and all kinds. The human mouth and nose ejects contaminants down and away for a reason."

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[watisthis]

From the desk of Govn'a Blackface (VA)
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/m...Wear-Face-Covering-While-Inside-Buildings.pdf


See I have this medical condition known as an allergy to stupid and ignorant sheep who actually believe the incessant lies promulgated by the MSM which furthermore conveniently forgets to report on the updated positions (we call this 'waffling') of the WHO and Dr. crooked-ass bureaucrat Fouci etc. and who are also more than happy to celebrate the non-necessity of masks to prevent the spread of Wuhan-19 if it's in the service of "protest", or if your skin color is not-white (recent Lincoln county, Oregon policy) and you are under the delusion "racial profiling" is significantly more injurious to your well-being than the virus floating around in the air.

I also have a medical condition known as "I'm not putting a highly bacteria-infested mask on my face, which furthermore causes hot filthy breath to go up my face and into my eyes and thus significantly raising the likelihood of infection (nose/eyes are RIPE targets) of any and all kinds. The human mouth and nose ejects contaminants down and away for a reason."

Go figure, you're still in denial. Anything to protect your own mental image of the world, aye? It's called confirmation bias, it's what protects your tiny brain from learning new opposing knowledge or information.

You don't seem to understand what protection probability is nor do you understand how a compounding effect works.

Worked for Taiwan, Korea, etc, will work for everyone else too if they stop being brainlets like you.

Here, take some time to hurt your brain:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/
https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(04)00639-X/fulltext?mobileUi=0
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(08)01008-4/fulltext
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

 

[Burkey]

Go figure, you're still in denial. Anything to protect your own mental image of the world, aye? It's called confirmation bias, it's what protects your tiny brain from learning new opposing knowledge or information.

You don't seem to understand what protection probability is nor do you understand how a compounding effect works.

Worked for Taiwan, Korea, etc, will work for everyone else too if they stop being brainlets like you.

Here, take some time to hurt your brain:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/
https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(04)00639-X/fulltext?mobileUi=0
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(08)01008-4/fulltext
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

I’m convinced he’s a troll. I refuse to accept that people can be this stupid in real life unless they have an underlying medical condition,

 

[watisthis]

I’m convinced he’s a troll. I refuse to accept that people can be this stupid in real life unless they have an underlying medical condition,

100% Agreed.

@shogun32 Here's an analogy for you.

Say I own a Cafe, I trust you to make your own public safety choices. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, I allow my staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food. I encourage my employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not my place to tell them what to do.

I understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees are sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs. Some of my cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients that some consumers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so.

Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can not touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean. Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and I allow my dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will use to eat your food.

Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. I think you'll agree that its a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do - and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy. /s

 

[Hack]

I’m not really following.

It seems more than ever, there’s an anti-science movement that’s rearing in the epicenter of the COVID epidemic. It’s mentioned in news, it’s evident when people gather en-masse and spread/contract COVID.

Can someone explain this? I am a little baffled as modern medicine is a pretty damn good example that science is real in and of itself.

Growing up, I was friends with or went to school with individuals in strongly rooted Christian families and it was like science was created by the devil himself. I am guessing for some it’s religious, others it’s belief it’s a government conspiracy, the rest is ignorance?

Most people believe in science, but people who think for themselves have noticed that politicians and the media are constantly trying to push agendas. There's a lot of information presented to me that I reject because I can realize by using my brain that it's not correct.

More and more lately the media and left wing politicians seem desparate and hysterical. And their presentations about "science" are mostly ridiculous.

For me, just a regular Joe Schmuckatello, science can really piss me off at times. Simple example...

Studies show that coffee is good for you.
6 months later - Coffee is bad for you.
6 months later - Coffee is okay as long as you only have 2 cups a day.
6 months later - Coffee has anti-oxidants, and COULD help prevent Alzheimer disease.
6 months later - Coffee studies now show that consuming more than 3 cups of coffee a day could accelerate Alzheimer's in men over 52.5 years old.
One thing I know for sure is that coffee is great for helping produce morning BM's, and on a consistent basis at that. I won't be quitting coffee any time soon.

I could go on and on about all kinds of "studies show" that constantly change. That shit drives me up the wall.

Some studies are obvious, like the results of smoking etc.

Science is awesome, and they get a lot of things right... some things wrong... and some things change so much so often you start to question these findings when published.

Then of course when politics gets intertwined into science it can get downright brutal. I don't think I need to mention any examples here.

So... put me in the "not anti-science, but very skeptical" crowd. If that makes sense... probably not.

Good post.

Yes, often there are "scientific" studies where causality is not proven. Most intelligent people don't take "facts" and "science" presented to them as being absolutely certain for these reasons. They have learned that typically there is money or power pushing an agenda behind the "science", which has been corrupted for political or commercial use.

I think you’re looking at the media rather than science when you mention those “studies”.

Since most information is pushed at us by the media it can become difficult to distinguish. I personally am not going to spend hours of my time digging through scientific journals.

Logic is enough to tell me Covid BS is BS. It's all about money and power. Getting people to be fearful is worth a lot.

 

[shogun32]

Worked for Taiwan, Korea, etc, will work for everyone else too if they stop being brainlets like you.

it dind't do shit in Taiwan, Korea, Japan. Just because their culture is pre-disposed to wearing masks for 'colds' and the like just means they are happy to wear a mask at the slightest drop of the hat. I lived in Japan for 17 years.

"Masks" are demonstrably ineffective. There is a suggestion brewing that nearly 50% of US population was already largely immune to the Wuhan-19 from causes not yet known and that all infections are in the other cohort. And now we're rapidly approaching 66% of gen pop infected or immune be it from exposure or prior immunity. You are NEVER going to prevent being exposed/infected by this bug. And definitely not with these piss-ant excuse of a "mask". "Slowing the spread" had social benefit back in February or even March but even then the action was WAY too late and given how the world didn't terminate all travel across the board, the measure was already useless.

From your first link. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/)

We showed that a hand-fashioned mask can provide a good fit and a measurable level of protection from a challenge aerosol. Problems remain. When made by naive users, this mask may be less effective because of variations in material, assembly, facial structure, cultural practices, and handling. No easy, definitive, and affordable test can demonstrate effectiveness before each use. Wearers may find the mask uncomfortable.

QED useless.

 

[watisthis]

it dind't do shit in Taiwan, Korea, Japan.

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...no-deaths-success-in-south-east-asia/12237314

https://www.wired.com/story/the-asian-countries-that-beat-covid-19-have-to-do-it-again/

Just because their culture is pre-disposed to wearing masks for 'colds' and the like just means they are happy to wear a mask at the slightest drop of the hat. I lived in Japan for 17 years.

There's a lot of public safety things I'm not happy to do either but I do them anyway because 1: I'm not an idiot and 2: I'm not an asshole.

Do you bitch this much about having to take your shoes off in an airport because of a terrorist attack that didn't happen 19 years ago? No, then shut up, you can wear a mask during a pandemic that has killed over 100,00 Americans, cry baby.

"Masks" are demonstrably ineffective.

You are demonstrably wrong.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.13553

https://theconversation.com/masks-h...vernors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Along with the other ones I linked above, etc, etc, etc.

QED useless.

Haven't you heard? Even N95 makes aren't 100% effective therefore all masks are 0% effective and you're basically being holocausted if you wear one. God, it's like you don't even read Facebook.

Next, you're going to explain to me how seatbelts don't keep us 100% safe during a car accident, and we might as well not wear one. Or wash our hands as it only kills 99% of bacteria, etc, etc, etc.

You're a bumbling foot.

 

[Burkey]

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...no-deaths-success-in-south-east-asia/12237314

https://www.wired.com/story/the-asian-countries-that-beat-covid-19-have-to-do-it-again/



There's a lot of public safety things I'm not happy to do either but I do them anyway because 1: I'm not an idiot and 2: I'm not an asshole.

Do you bitch this much about having to take your shoes off in an airport because of a terrorist attack that didn't happen 19 years ago? No, then shut up, you can wear a mask during a pandemic that has killed over 100,00 Americans, cry baby.



You are demonstrably wrong.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.13553

https://theconversation.com/masks-h...vernors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Along with the other ones I linked above, etc, etc, etc.




Haven't you heard? Even N95 makes aren't 100% effective therefore all masks are 0% effective and you're basically being holocausted if you wear one. God, it's like you don't even read Facebook.

Next, you're going to explain to me how seatbelts don't keep us 100% safe during a car accident, and we might as well not wear one. Or wash our hands as it only kills 99% of bacteria, etc, etc, etc.

You're a bumbling foot.

In some cases, seatbelts actually cause more harm than good. Yup, we need to stop wearing them..

 

[JCFoster]

I think it’s funny the folks that are bitching at everyone to wear a mask didn’t give two shits last year who they got sick when they went around hacking on everything and everyone when they were sick with the flu.

 

[Burkey]

it dind't do shit in Taiwan, Korea, Japan. Just because their culture is pre-disposed to wearing masks for 'colds' and the like just means they are happy to wear a mask at the slightest drop of the hat. I lived in Japan for 17 years.

"Masks" are demonstrably ineffective. There is a suggestion brewing that nearly 50% of US population was already largely immune to the Wuhan-19 from causes not yet known and that all infections are in the other cohort. And now we're rapidly approaching 66% of gen pop infected or immune be it from exposure or prior immunity. You are NEVER going to prevent being exposed/infected by this bug. And definitely not with these piss-ant excuse of a "mask". "Slowing the spread" had social benefit back in February or even March but even then the action was WAY too late and given how the world didn't terminate all travel across the board, the measure was already useless.

From your first link. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/)


QED useless.

Wait up...
Those Asian countries you just cited are RAPING the US in terms of cases per capita.
Let’s see...
In terms of cases per million, the US sits at slightly over 8500.
Taiwan = 19
South Korea = 253
Japan = 149

Let’s do population density as well just to be sure that the numbers aren’t entirely skewed.
(Per square mile)
USA 94
Taiwan 66
South Korea 170
Japan 51

I’m not suggesting that masks are the cause of this GROSS difference, but clearly they’re doing or have done something entirely differently from you guys.
I would like you show us a peer reviewed paper, published in a respected journal that indicates that wearing a face covering is “ineffective”. Yes, in certain circumstances it will be entirely redundant. In others, it might just be the one thing that helps to control the spread.

I do however agree that your government mucked around with this issue for far too long before taking anything approaching adequate action. That they had the gusto to blame the WHO for their failings is just the icing on the cake really. If you can explain how a nation at nearly double the population density of the US is somehow nearly 40 times lower than your infection rate, I’m listening.

When we look at these graphs, we see that one of them doesn’t look very much like the others.
I’m not going to attempt to come up with ideas but there WILL be reasons for it.

 

[shogun32]

but clearly they’re doing or have done something entirely differently from you guys.

absolutely.
1, they don't have incompetent morons like Cuomo set on mass murder within nursing homes - something like 6000 of total US deaths are directly attributable to Cuomo's personal action/orders
2. they are a hell of a lot more 'integrated' with China
3. they are way more healthy as a population than the obesity/diabetic/heart disease-ridden American population that is broadly on ACE inhibitors
4. their medical staff are 'classically' trained - they wash their hands religiously with soap and water between patients - and know how to do PROPER infection control. American hospital staff are lazy and irresponsible in broad terms
5. didn't follow CDC incompetent advice and ineffectual protocols - able to think critically and embrace promising protocols without fear of media/lawsuit reprisal
6. no politically (and economically) motivated war against HCQ+Zn or treatments that address CLOTTING DISORDERS brought on by the immunological runaway Covid infection
7. no mass media pushing a rabid agenda against Orange Man
8. no outsize economic incentive ($20,000/patient) to ventilate patients

?. the other countries may well have locked down their medical staff/hospitals to prevent "I need to go home" medical staff from leaving the premises and then spreading it all over creation - this was NYC writ large. If you wanna talk 'lockdown' it was properly imposed by force on ALL hospitals and STAFF(!) at any facility with Covid patients.

One of the lessons learned from this ordeal should be American Medicine is extremely sick in of itself. There are quite a few doctors who have stood up to the stupidity of the CDC and shown almost perfect recovery but they are *silenced* by Google and MSM for preaching "untruths" since apparently the CDC is never wrong and it's inconceivable that in AMERICA of all places we should tolerate a broad, free exchange of ideas in general, let alone during a crisis. So congratulations YouTube/Twitter/Facebook/media CENSORS you are PERSONALLY responsible for killing thousands of people because you were raised to mindlessly parrot official pseudo-gov't propaganda because your parents and teachers infected your minds with this preposterous notion of "safe spaces" and "wrong think".

 

[shogun32]

follow the science, right?
https://www.sott.net/article/434796...rators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses

CDC back in May said masks in gen-pop serve little purpose.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...kXVExP_1UE9ARvru6mtPZvZN0w1jx0S3l3fXLhxMP_bXs

Masks are just the current "demonstrate your allegience to the State" litmus test. Not a single govenor or their medical staff has bothered to read the studies. It's just all mass placation efforts. You know, the "be seen as doing *something*, anything" response to social/mass-media driven hysteria predicated on abject ignorance. Gov't is the enemy of a free people. They are INCAPABLE of saving you. In fact they have proven over millenia that they are far more interested in killing you, the delusional, trusting citizen. Maybe not thru outright, deliberate malice but does it matter what their high-minded intentions are if the results are the same?

 

[Silver Bullitt]

follow the science, right?
https://www.sott.net/article/434796...rators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses

CDC back in May said masks in gen-pop serve little purpose.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...kXVExP_1UE9ARvru6mtPZvZN0w1jx0S3l3fXLhxMP_bXs

Masks are just the current "demonstrate your allegience to the State" litmus test. Not a single govenor or their medical staff has bothered to read the studies. It's just all mass placation efforts. You know, the "be seen as doing *something*, anything" response to social/mass-media driven hysteria predicated on abject ignorance. Gov't is the enemy of a free people. They are INCAPABLE of saving you. In fact they have proven over millenia that they are far more interested in killing you, the delusional, trusting citizen. Maybe not thru outright, deliberate malice but does it matter what their high-minded intentions are if the results are the same?

Here's about all the scientific study a reasonable person should need.



But, I'm sure it wasn't peer reviewed so it's obviously not worthy to some.

 

[watisthis]

follow the science, right?
https://www.sott.net/article/434796...rators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses

CDC back in May said masks in gen-pop serve little purpose.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...kXVExP_1UE9ARvru6mtPZvZN0w1jx0S3l3fXLhxMP_bXs

You're so incredibly ignorant it's mind-boggling.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

You're wrong, what you're failing to realize is that when we look at data we look at exponential spread so even if there is a 30% likely hood of reducing a virus spread that plays out significantly when you look at the data. You mistake this because you deal in absolutes so if it isn't 100% then it might as well be 0 and this is why you're a clown.

Masks are just the current "demonstrate your allegience to the State" litmus test. Not a single govenor or their medical staff has bothered to read the studies. It's just all mass placation efforts. You know, the "be seen as doing *something*, anything" response to social/mass-media driven hysteria predicated on abject ignorance. Gov't is the enemy of a free people. They are INCAPABLE of saving you. In fact they have proven over millenia that they are far more interested in killing you, the delusional, trusting citizen. Maybe not thru outright, deliberate malice but does it matter what their high-minded intentions are if the results are the same?

Apparently, every company that is selling a mask is selling a product that purposely doesn't work and, in turn, kills people. This conspiracy requires you to suspend so many other beliefs and how the world works, it is insane. You take one grain of skepticism and blow it out of proportion so that you can make this conspiracy work for you. Doctors are in on it, nurses are in on it, mask factories are in on it, gov'ts are in on it, but you foiled their mind control plans, you're so incredibly smart I am amazed. This is all a conspiracy made up by 3M and Bill gates, hur dur.

Wearing a mask has become a culture war because of idiots.

Moreover, you cry over civil liberties as if wearing a mask while you're outside or around groups of people as if it's giving in to gov't control. Are you seriously this simple-minded? I mean why don't you walk around naked because that's apparently also taking away your civil liberties too.

This is why we have a problem, because of people like you who have 0 knowledge of anything outside of their confirmation bias propaganda and mistrust of everything scientific that anything the gov't says is to infringe on you and turn you into some sort of brainless slave. Let's just get rid of the FDA and every other beneficial gov't agency while we're at it.

Even people who have psychological issues and who are clearly mentally ill are being responsible by wearing masks so what is your excuse?

 

[Burkey]

follow the science, right?
https://www.sott.net/article/434796...rators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses

CDC back in May said masks in gen-pop serve little purpose.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...kXVExP_1UE9ARvru6mtPZvZN0w1jx0S3l3fXLhxMP_bXs

Masks are just the current "demonstrate your allegience to the State" litmus test. Not a single govenor or their medical staff has bothered to read the studies. It's just all mass placation efforts. You know, the "be seen as doing *something*, anything" response to social/mass-media driven hysteria predicated on abject ignorance. Gov't is the enemy of a free people. They are INCAPABLE of saving you. In fact they have proven over millenia that they are far more interested in killing you, the delusional, trusting citizen. Maybe not thru outright, deliberate malice but does it matter what their high-minded intentions are if the results are the same?

Ok, I think we’ve found the problem here.
That article you cited was just that, an article.
The opinions expressed in that article come from this guy, who you might want to do some research on. Why a former professor of physics has any interest in this area, I have no idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt

You’ll also notice that he didn’t actually do any original research, meaning that his “findings” aren’t worth a pinch of shit until such time that he publishes them for peer-review, as per the traditional scientific process.
He’s also done the traditional blogger/media style thing where he simply grabs quotes from published papers and uses them to his advantage, possibly missing key points and nuances of the original documents.
Did you take the time to read the sources he cites or did you just find something that agreed with your postion?

Here’s the first citation
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
That’s a VERY poorly conducted trial.

Here’s the second one, with the pertinent part that the author left out...
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

“There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected. Further studies in controlled settings and studies of natural infections in healthcare and community settings are required to better define the effectiveness of face masks and respirators in preventing influenza virus transmission”

I could keep going but I think the point has been made already.https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
You found a former physics professor of spurious origins who was willing to go as far as to even omit information to support a conclusion in a field that’s outside his area of expertise.
It’s like getting Willie Soon to evaluate tree-ring data really.

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