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But I love everything about the Mach 1. Just not enough to move to one.

My point was it's too easy to get a GT to be equivalent.....
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With full bolt ons and E85, I'll be lucky to hit 460 whp on my 17 GT. I need to get my car on a Dyno to really see where I am at. Just adding a tune alone on the Mach 1 would get me passed those numbers and likely without the headaches of tune swapping for emissions because of long tube headers. The Gen3 Coyote is really a great upgrade.

There's plenty of people always wanting to go fast in a straight line. Then there's the rest of us who love to go find the twisty roads or drive on a real race track a few times. I'm happy that the Mach 1 caters more to handling. The horsepower amount is plenty. The transmission is better over my MT-82 even with a fluid swap and MGW shifter. The aero and cooling is better. Rather than add aftermarket coolers to my current car, the Mach 1 has them OEM. Magneride is also standard which I don't have.

These are just some of the reasons why I'm leaning towards getting a Mach 1.
The gen3 is a great upgrade if you intend to toss the warranty and go e85. E85 gen3s are killer. But if you already have a gen2 you can invest much less and get similar power to a stock gen3 if that’s what you’re after, even with the mod headaches. If e85 is in your future the upgrade is worth it in my opinion.

but you sound like a handling guy. In that case the M1 makes a lot of sense.
 

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You all forget about adding cams to the 15-17. Good power can be made with those.

Watch "GEN 2 COYOTE S550 515RWHP & 401RWTRQ ALL MOTOR" on YouTube
 

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Re-reading the reviews of the pre-2018 Mustang GT acceleration times and the '18 and up times the difference is AT LEAST a second. No, you will not be able to get a 15-17 doing those numbers NA unless you spend some serious money.

So, assuming the Mach 1 has the same intake as the Bullitt (those parts list are 12-1500 $), then add the PP 2 costs minus the tires/wheels, MagneRide, etc, The cooling parts. Not to mention the different facia, unique wheels. You would spend more to "make" a 2018 up like a Mach 1 than it is worth. And, you still wouldn't have the upgraded transmission and your resale would be much worse.

I have modded many Mustangs. Most mods DETRACT from resale value. Especially those that make the ride louder or harsher. Especially aftermarket exhausts.

I priced a Premium 2019 Mustang GT with as close as possible options to my 2019 Bullitt and the price differences were very small.

If the Mach 1 is, say, $2500 more than the similarly equipped Mustang GT it will be a deal.
 

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You all forget about adding cams to the 15-17. Good power can be made with those.

Watch "GEN 2 COYOTE S550 515RWHP & 401RWTRQ ALL MOTOR" on YouTube
I wonder what the cost was on that build? At that price, I may as well slap on a blower.
 

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The a10 18+ GTs are as fast or faster than the GT350 now in a straight line, according to car mags. The power curve and shift pattern seem to defy normal power to weight considerations.
Cool, I'm referring to a circuit course. The gt350 isn't a drag car and neither is the Mach
 

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Re-reading the reviews of the pre-2018 Mustang GT acceleration times and the '18 and up times the difference is AT LEAST a second. No, you will not be able to get a 15-17 doing those numbers NA unless you spend some serious money.
? Are you talking about stock to stock? If you mean the a10 I completely agree, a 15-17 owner would need to spend very serious $ to make it as fast, and the reliability would be much worse at that point. If you mean m6 to m6 I don’t agree. Take a reputable tester like C&D and a metric that depends mostly on power to weight other things similar: trap speed. They got:
15-17: 113, 112, 113, 112
18+: 115, 114, 114, 114
Since the cars are broadly similar and trap speed trends with the cube root of power to weight in that case, if you consider the biggest margin as 3mph, for the same weight that’s about 31hp over the 15-17, which is about right. The difference in gear ratio doesn’t play a huge part in trap speed if the two you’re comparing are in the same ballpark. So 31 hp or +7% is not a major major challenge.

But to get to the a10 trap speed (C&D: 120mph)? That’s a huge challenge. The A10 and E85 are the real beauties of the gen3.
 

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The biggest reasons for the trap speed differences on the manual to manual is the terrible gearing in the '18 and up. As discussed the PP1 would need a 4.29:1 axle to equal the 3.73:1 in the '17 and down. And I was referring to the A10 on my comments of a second difference. The engine on the '18 and up is so much better than the gen 2 NA that it is definitely worth $$.
I am not disagreeing with you on much of what was said. I will bet there are very few people that have the MT82 in their '18 up stock that can do much under 13 seconds. When I drag raced the '19 Bullitt stock I went through the traps in 3rd. Sad.
 

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Hmmm, clearly the Carroll Shelby Racing FB Page has someone with access to Flat Rock.

Mach 1 in Grabber Yellow :sunglasses:

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that is BRIGHT holy crap. Truly a grabber color.
 

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The shark-fin antenna looks better than our 'tumor'... but should have been a tad smaller IMO.
 

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The shark-fin antenna looks better than our 'tumor'... but should have been a tad smaller IMO.
that may mean sync 4.
 
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that may mean sync 4.
The shark fin antenna is already on all current Mustangs, they changed that mid-MY2020. So it is still not sure that SYNC4 in is the MY2021 Mustang. With the Mach 1 not having in the officiall shots, I would not bet on SYNC4
 

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The shark fin antenna is already on all current Mustangs, they changed that mid-MY2020. So it is still not sure that SYNC4 in is the MY2021 Mustang. With the Mach 1 not having in the officiall shots, I would not bet on SYNC4
is that the size of the current fin?
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