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Here's a good example of trying to get good accurate complete information. This primarily stems from two Tyson and Butterball processing plants in SW Missouri.


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In the past week, the daily growth rate for the coronavirus in Joplin, Missouri, was 11.9%. Health officials say the southwest Missouri city was the nation’s top spot for COVID-19 growth over the past week. Joplin is in Jasper County, where Missouri health officials say cases have increased more than 89% over the past seven days.

Another southwest Missouri county has also seen a huge increase in cases.

McDonald County, a rural county in the southwestern corner of the state, saw cases more than quadruple over the past week and nearly double over the past weekend to 434 positive cases. The health department there is recommending people avoid all gatherings with anyone outside of their household and wear a mask in public.


Local news version:

New COVID-19 cases in several southwest Missouri counties have spiked after outbreaks at a Tyson Foods plant in McDonald County and a Butterball plant in Jasper County.

A lead investigator with the CDC arrived today in Joplin, according to Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services Director Dr. Randall Williams.

Williams said Missouri is “piggybacking on Arkansas,” which had a CDC team in northwest Arkansas recently to investigate a similar outbreak.

Tyson Foods has released the results of recent COVID testing at it’s Noel plant. According to the release, 1,142 team members were tested for COVID-19 between June 17th and June 19th. Of those, 291 tested positive, with 249 of those not showing any symptoms at all and without testing, would not have otherwise been identified.

On Friday, Tyson announced results of testing for COVID-19 at its locations throughout Benton and Washington counties in Northwest Arkansas.

Of the 3,748 team members who were tested onsite, the company said that 481, or 13%, tested positive, and of those, 455 or nearly 95%, were asymptomatic.

There are currently no plans for mass testing of Butterball employees at this time, in part because free testing is readily available and also covered under Butterball insurance.
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... McDonald County, a rural county in the southwestern corner of the state, saw cases more than quadruple over the past week and nearly double over the past weekend to 434 positive cases. The health department there is recommending people avoid all gatherings with anyone outside of their household and wear a mask in public.
Classic media non sequitur. Hoping fools will assume there is some cause and effect relationship between those two sentences. Like having your web site 404 page say "this page is unavailable to anyone in your country".
 

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You can ask, but if you are looking for enlightenment, you should do your own research and not trust internet chatter, no matter how true it turns out to be as in this case.
I’m asking because the research I’ve done over the years doesn’t yield the results being spoken of. Hence, I’m asking for a definition of what constitutes “leftist” ideals.
To some, leftist ideals might be something as simple as the teaching of evolution...
If that’s the metric, yes, they are indeed.
 

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I’m asking because the research I’ve done over the years doesn’t yield the results being spoken of. Hence, I’m asking for a definition of what constitutes “leftist” ideals.
To some, leftist ideals might be something as simple as the teaching of evolution...
If that’s the metric, yes, they are indeed.
the addition of 'safe spaces' and 'no whites allowed' events is part of it. And I can attest to those things existing first hand, as much as 10-15 years ago. A lot of it is the small stuff, the exclusion of normalcy is a fairly significant one. the pushing of 'speciality' and 'uniqueness' The you are special, you are unique stuff that gets pushed a lot. You 'deserve' this and that. I ran into a number of issues in namely the English department at my university on my general classes with choosing topics. I will say, I had one English professor pleasantly surprise me. He voiced his opinion of strongly disagreeing with my sentiment on a topic of literature, but he still gave me a very strong grade because he agreed that my argument was well laid out and presented. (Basically, that maybe, just maybe, when the author says that the sky was blue, he just means that it was FUCKING BLUE.)

And this was at a fairly conservative, STEM based university. Our primary courses are education, aviation, and nursing, those 3 probably consist of about 75% of enrollees, but maybe 30% of all graduates.
 

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Wouldn't it be nice to know what the truth really is?
We have a crisis on our hands. This is not the time to play politics.
I expect our Fed Govt to be leading us out of this situation.
A Doctor I respect recently said that "everyone will not suffer the same with this virus.
But you don't want to learn how healthy your immune system is by getting exposed." Like checking your parachute after you jumped.
I don't think pretending Covid 19 is not a problem is any kind of solution.
Writing off our over age 65 population also doesn't seem to be an acceptable solution especially since I am older than 65.
Wearing a mask decreases your chances of spreading it to others.
Maybe you don't have it. Or maybe you do and don't realize it.
Here in MN we recently experienced a spike in cases that was narrowed down to TWO bars that opened back up the first of June..
Either we want to slow the spread down or we let it run wild.
125,000 people have died in the US from Covid 19 in the last six months.
How many deaths are acceptable? Is it ok if we have 250,00 deaths by the end of the year?
If we don't stop spreading it that number of deaths could be far higher.
Is it ok to have 500,000 people die? How about 1,000,000?
Worse is the multiplying effect will make the numbers much worse in the future if we don't stop spreading it.
There are things that we all can do to protect ourselves, our families and our community.
Pretending it is not a problem is not one of them.
Why has the spread and number of deaths in many other counties slowed down but the US and Western hemisphere now leads the world?
What have they done to lower those numbers?
 

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We are failing as a country. Not sure if it’s stubbornness, selfishness, or stupidness, but seems the majority has voted for all three.
 

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that almost looks like no progress in three months but obv there's more testing going on..... right? That curve aint the right shape either way :frown:
 

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that almost looks like no progress in three months but obv there's more testing going on..... right? That curve aint the right shape either way :frown:
A 1/3 reduction in daily cases was promising. The more worrying part is that only 8% of the tests have come back positive. 33.5mil tests, 2.7mil positive results.
Puts the 130,000 deaths into some kind of perspective.
 

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I think way more people have this than the numbers suggest. Unless EVERYONE is tested, it’s hard to say. Even then it’s a shit shot. Not easy to say how many may have had it asymptomatically or who tests negative at one point and will catch it later. The crazy part is how it kills some but doesn’t even create symptoms in others. There’s no rhyme or reason to it.

I’ll say this.. it’s a scary time for everyone. The country is in complete divide about a pandemic, politics and race. Not exactly a good combo. At this point I’m not sure how anyone could still turn a blind eye to this.
 

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I think way more people have this than the numbers suggest. Unless EVERYONE is tested, it’s hard to say. Even then it’s a shit shot. Not easy to say how many may have had it asymptomatically or who tests negative at one point and will catch it later. The crazy part is how it kills some but doesn’t even create symptoms in others. There’s no rhyme or reason to it.

I’ll say this.. it’s a scary time for everyone. The country is in complete divide about a pandemic, politics and race. Not exactly a good combo. At this point I’m not sure how anyone could still turn a blind eye to this.
I found this pretty interesting. I believe it's type O blood that has stronger antibodies. That may be a reason why type O blood can show less severe cases of COVID.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200618/blood-type-could-impact-odds-for-severe-covid-19
 

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Can you define what you mean by this? I’ve seen it mentioned several times and I’m curious as to what leftist ideals the teachers and lecturers might be spruiking. It’s a genuine question.
I ask because indoctrination is generally regarded as teaching people to accept a belief or set of beliefs without criticism. Not sure about the system in the US, but in most countries, universities go as far as to offer entire courses that focus on scepticism and critical-thinking skills. This would appear (on the surface at least) to be the complete opposite of indoctrination.
Historically, indoctrination has been the role of religion (as one example).
Perhaps "indoctrination" is a bit harsh. Influence, is likely a bit more fair, I suppose.

My answer may fail to satisfy your curiosity, so I will try to keep it short.

I have experienced this influence first hand. For myself, and my kids as they went through our public schools (in a few different States due to moving for work over the years). My father-in-law was a professor of economics (in the Bible Belt), and a devout socialist, that even sported a bust of Karl Marx on his work desk at home. He himself confirmed that our educational institutions were loaded with left-leaning educators (note that I am not saying Far Left... though of course, there are some). Small sample size though I admit.

People of the left-leaning variety tend to gravitate towards educational institutions in higher numbers than those conservative. I believe this is true (likely fact), but am not going to take the time to try and dig up cited studies (at least for now).

Humans are biased.. some more than others. Youngin's can be rather gullible. Mix that with education, particularly at the collegiate levels, and you may see why I believe this so.
 

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What scares me is appears to me in the USA our strategy is for herd immunity. Is that the only way to deal with this? Eventually we all get exposed? Guess that is one way to thin the herd. Until there is a vaccine, which could take years, do we take our chances of getting exposed, hope for the best and pray there is room in your local hospital, or avoid being exposed. And it's not just your behavior. One of your trusted friends or family can get exposed and then expose YOU. I hate wearing a face mask. It fogs up my glasses and makes it challenging to breath. But wearing a face mask is my statement that I recognize we are all in this together and I am trying to protect YOU. Please try to protect me.

The normal we knew is GONE. We must embrace a new normal to protect ourselves, our community and our country. But what is this new normal? Shouldn't we all be on the same page reading from one set of recommendations? This is not the time for individual interpretations. Leaving it up to each state is spreading the virus. We are at 125,000 deaths right now in the first six months. At this rate of growth we could be at a 1,000,000 deaths by year end.

I heard a panel discussion last night on this topic. One of the panel said what she is afraid of is if the US doesn't get this under some kind of control, meaning the spreading slows down, we are going to be shunned by the rest of the world. Canada and Europe have travel bans from the US. The US has travel bans from a number of countries. Long term that can be a huge financial issue to our economy. Why have we given up our leadership in the world? That alone is going to have a long term impact on our economy.

We have to take this seriously. A virus does not care if you think it is a hoax. Pretending this virus is not an issue is not a good long term strategy.
 

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the only thing @dbegley I'd argue is saying this is the new normal. It is a phase, may well last a long while but it should never be considered normal. It is just a phase. World went back to normal after SARS, MERS and Swine Flu and so it shall after Covid-19. How long and how many lives (directly and indirectly) will be lost are currently unknown. Too many I'd guess.
Thank you for wearing a mask, it is appreciated.
 

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We are around 1.7% total daily growth in total case numbers. We will double our cases to 5.4 million by September 1st(58days) That will double twice to 21.6 million by feb 1. 2021. If 1 in 4 are diagnosed. That’s 86.4 million real cases by feb 1. That’s will zero new growth and just trend growth.

By feb. 1 will need 720,000 test a day if the positive rate is 50% positive. At 8% positive 4.5 million a day.
These are garbage numbers just like the modeling but they show if current trends hold what could happen. Our death are also lagging and how many deaths we get off this next wave will determine(force) the governments choice.
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How are things going over there?
Well...
As you’ll see below, most states seem to have it under control (in as much as you can control the spread of a virus). Victoria (where I live) is seeing a fairly strong (and contextually alarming) resurgence in cases. The Victorian government have increased restrictions in the more affected suburbs of Melbourne, creating a bit of an “us and them” type mentality, but, given that Victoria was originally leading the way in terms of lockdowns and precautions, it’s fairly consistent with the approach that’s been taken to date.
There’s plenty of finger-pointing after the government was forced to allow BLM protests a while back after losing a court battle to prevent the protests. As to whether this caused the resurgence or even has any relevance is debatable, Vic has also seen a LOT of Aussies returning from overseas recently and the self-quarantine system may not be as well adhered to as it should be.
On the bright side, the masses are overloading the test stations, indicating that most of the public are keen to do what they can, where they can. I think this is the only way we have ANY chance of getting on top of it.
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