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Everyone has a proven track record of success with our economy. Its a perception, Democrats will say Obama's was good, Republicans will say Trumps is good and that Obama barely kept the economy going.

There are way too many economic influences to determine an economic shift solely. We need to study various key indicators such as balance of trade, retail sales, building permits, consumer and business expectations, inflation, corporate profits, currency strength, GDP, income and wages, interest rates, inventory, credit index, level of new startups, manufacturing activity, stock market, unemployment rate with regards to hours works and labor force participation, value of commodities, and the housing market.

Pretty easy to find talking points to call any president an economic success esp when they are moreso an extension of the previous president as policies take years to determine effects.
When Obama was President, my retirement made very little, with Trump as President, my retirement is going apeshit. Enough said.
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When Obama was President, my retirement made very little, with Trump as President, my retirement is going apeshit. Enough said.
Doc, your being a generalist. All of our retirements plans took a hit at the beginning of Obama's presidency. He was left to pick up the pieces of the 2008 financial disaster. By the end of 2016 my 401K's had fully recovered. Trump had zero to do with this. Now the economy has continued to get better but it is just continuing on the upward course that was set back in the early 10's. Trump, of course, is taking full credit (which every President does) but he really hasn't done anything except sigh the Republican Tax Law. For higher income folks, like us, that was good too. Corporations do good, the stock market goes up and so do our investments. So I'm not complaining, actually I'm grateful. Just pointing out that Trump is taking credit for something that was already in the process of happening.
 

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It was a whole different situation when Obama took office. Trump inherited a good economy from Obama and Obama inherited a bad economy from Bush, given Bush did fine his first 6 whereas his final 2 we had a recession. Fed chair and congress have much more of an impact on the economy than Presidents do.

I'd like to see where we'd be if Trump had inherited an economy going through a recession. Also, the economy isn't the same as it was 10 years ago and there are too many factors to normalize 'retirement good president good' as Obama inherited the future of the world's monetary system in question, a credit freeze, and unemployment was climbing, there were a lot of ways we could have fallen further, so thank god you and I didn't lose everything.
 
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Rumors have Bloomberg considering Hillary for a running mate. I hope his life insurance is paid up.
 

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Doc, your being a generalist. All of our retirements plans took a hit at the beginning of Obama's presidency.
Exactly and were stagnant during his entire do nothing presidency.
So I'm not complaining, actually I'm grateful. Just pointing out that Trump is taking credit for something that was already in the process of happening.
You should show your gratitude by supporting our current President. That is not at all how I have seen it form a business owner standpoint.
 

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It was a whole different situation when Obama took office. Trump inherited a good economy from Obama and Obama inherited a bad economy from Bush, given Bush did fine his first 6 whereas his final 2 we had a recession. Fed chair and congress have much more of an impact on the economy than Presidents do.
Uh huh, sure

'retirement good president good'
That's how I am voting from now on, what's good for Docscurlock is good for the US.
 

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Rumors have Bloomberg considering Hillary for a running mate. I hope his life insurance is paid up.
I can see suicide with 2 shots to the head in his future.
 

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As SilverBullit said earlier 90% of the country is covered but we forget a lot are underinsured meaning they have health insurance but because of high deductibles and high out of pocket expenses their insurance is virtually useless.

It comes down to morality, in the riches country in the history, should there even be a single person who doesn't have health care? Is health care a right or just a privilege? Access to healthcare is bullshit, I have access to a Lamborghini dealership but can I afford it?
Isn't the real moral question here whether it is right to steal the personal property from one person to pay for the healthcare of another person? That really sums up socialism, the right to personal property. I think my personal property should be left alone by the government and each individual should take care of himself to the best of his ability. I can see why you dig socialism so much, you are a government employee. The US government is already the largest socialist program ever developed in the world. They take money from me and pay someone like you to do something whether it is really necessary or not. The US government doesn't produce anything, they just take and destroy. The US government is the largest form of social welfare ever devised. The private sector produces every part of our GDP and the .gov steals their portion of the pie and redistributes it out as they feel like it. I think it would only be right to limit any person to working for any government agency for only 5 years out of their entire career, the rest of the time should be spent in the private sector where you sink or swim based on your abilities and work ethic.
 

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Exactly and were stagnant during his entire do nothing presidency.

You should show your gratitude by supporting our current President. That is not at all how I have seen it form a business owner standpoint.
By the end of 2016 my 401K's had fully recovered.
My investments were made whole and already ahead by the end of Obama’s term. If your weren’t blame your financial advisor not the president.
 

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Isn't the real moral question here whether it is right to steal the personal property from one person to pay for the healthcare of another person? That really sums up socialism, the right to personal property. I think my personal property should be left alone by the government and each individual should take care of himself to the best of his ability. I can see why you dig socialism so much, you are a government employee. The US government is already the largest socialist program ever developed in the world. They take money from me and pay someone like you to do something whether it is really necessary or not. The US government doesn't produce anything, they just take and destroy. The US government is the largest form of social welfare ever devised. The private sector produces every part of our GDP and the .gov steals their portion of the pie and redistributes it out as they feel like it. I think it would only be right to limit any person to working for any government agency for only 5 years out of their entire career, the rest of the time should be spent in the private sector where you sink or swim based on your abilities and work ethic.
If you dislike our government, and by extension, this country, move to Canada.
 

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Uh huh, sure
Its well documented unless of course, you don't believe facts.

Isn't the real moral question here whether it is right to steal the personal property from one person to pay for the healthcare of another person? That really sums up socialism, the right to personal property. I think my personal property should be left alone by the government and each individual should take care of himself to the best of his ability. I can see why you dig socialism so much, you are a government employee. The US government is already the largest socialist program ever developed in the world. They take money from me and pay someone like you to do something whether it is really necessary or not. The US government doesn't produce anything, they just take and destroy. The US government is the largest form of social welfare ever devised. The private sector produces every part of our GDP and the .gov steals their portion of the pie and redistributes it out as they feel like it. I think it would only be right to limit any person to working for any government agency for only 5 years out of their entire career, the rest of the time should be spent in the private sector where you sink or swim based on your abilities and work ethic.
I don't even know where to begin here, society would crumble without paying taxes to fund services and structures. Do you really think we just to benefit from lawmakers who make laws that protect your personal freedoms without contributing to paying for their salaries? How about driving on roads without maintenance or development costs? What about a strong military?

Sure, the government is corrupt, but that's on the voters who keep voting in cunts and corruption.

Yes, it is right for each person to contribute taxes into a common system that provides healthcare to everyone. You may believe that each person should be left to their own devices, but that's more an act of faith than a reasonable political system. We live in societies, those societies provide services to each of us, impose duties to members, and create responsibilities for those members. Collective action requires collective payment, and since most government services are much easier to provide universally than individually, it means everyone ends up having to pay into the system.

"The government doesn't produce anything" is an extremely dense argument for you to make. You sound like a libertarian who very much opposes the very idea of the government producing things because they believe it distorts the market. Literally, they're the ones who fight to make sure the government is less useful and less productive.

Restricting the length of service for government employees would be extremely dumb. You'd effectively remove all the expertise out of the government. What's a better someone with long expertise in regulating specific industries and policies, or a random revolving door of inexperienced bureaucrats constantly making the same mistakes over and over? Turns out if you want an efficient, productive, effective government you want people to have expertise in both the subject and the craft of regulations.

This is literally a pointless debate, a few of us understand how things work and the other few don't.
 

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If you dislike our government, and by extension, this country, move to Canada.
Our government is by no means representative of this great country. If you think Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff represent America you have a screw loose. I wouldn't go to Canada to drop a turd, it's an even worse socialist craphole.
 

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My investments were made whole and already ahead by the end of Obama’s term. If your weren’t blame your financial advisor not the president.
This country is so great it could even survive the Obama presidency.
 

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Our government is by no means representative of this great country. If you think Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff represent America you have a screw loose. I wouldn't go to Canada to drop a turd, it's an even worse socialist craphole.
Someone needs their baby bottle.
 

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Sure, the government is corrupt, but that's on the voters who keep voting in cunts and corruption.
And yet you can support someone who is as batshit crazy and wants to steal the personal property from your fellow Americans such as Sanders? We should just have the military repossess all personal property and lock up dissenters for reeducation. Oh, Bernie supporters have already thought of that.

Yes, it is right for each person to contribute taxes into a common system that provides healthcare to everyone.
According to whom? Who died and made you king?
You may believe that each person should be left to their own devices, but that's more an act of faith than a reasonable political system. We live in societies, those societies provide services to each of us, impose duties to members, and create responsibilities for those members. Collective action requires collective payment, and since most government services are much easier to provide universally than individually, it means everyone ends up having to pay into the system.
"Each according to his abilities, each according to his needs" You have been indoctrinated well, comrade.
"The government doesn't produce anything" is an extremely dense argument for you to make. You sound like a libertarian who very much opposes the very idea of the government producing things because they believe it distorts the market. Literally, they're the ones who fight to make sure the government is less useful and less productive.
Name something the government produces, except waste of course, we know that's a ringer
Restricting the length of service for government employees would be extremely dumb. You'd effectively remove all the expertise out of the government. What's a better someone with long expertise in regulating specific industries and policies, or a random revolving door of inexperienced bureaucrats constantly making the same mistakes over and over? Turns out if you want an efficient, productive, effective government you want people to have expertise in both the subject and the craft of regulations.
Expertise, eh. How about uselessness, corruption and graft. Name one thing useful you do at work that this country couldn't do without.
This is literally a pointless debate, a few of us understand how things work and the other few don't
Of course, I don't see how "useful" you .gov employees are so I must be wrong. You must have been taught common core math.
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