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You forget that I think Trump is the best thing to ever happen to this country. If Mike is conservative he should wait and run as a republican after Trump's second term. I don't see him as middle of the road conservative. If he were he should be singing Trump's praises rather than going after him. After all, Trump is fairly middle of the road conservative.
I know I just though I'd throw it out there.

Mike isn't getting any primary delegates. How will he become the Democrat nominee?
So far its only Iowa and NH. There's is time for him to enter other primaries. It's been interesting so far. If Bernie get too far ahead Mike will have to commit.
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My wife is on her way right now to a root canal specialist. She has a tooth that caused a major infection. We do not know if she is going to have it pulled or fixed. We are already out of pocket $250. The root canal will be another 1350.00. I'm on Medicare and do not have dental insurance. The policies that are available for us just do not cover enough to make it worth our while. So just how many of you have a spare $1600 in your pocket to pay for this. What else would you be doing with $1600 if you didn't have to spend it on a dentist?

Fortunately, $1600 is not going to make or break me. I'm OK, put this cannot be said for everyone. Now I'm not in favor of Medicare for all. But, that, said, something needs to be done. Unfortunately our legislators, both sides, just do not give a shit about us and refuse to do anything.
I am on a health savings program. The first $5500 is out of pocket, then 100% covered. The IRS allows $6900 annually to go to the HSA pre-tax. The hardest part for most is establishing the account. I sold a House when I moved here and was lucky to be able to set $6500 aside for the first year. Every pay I send $225 to the HSA before tax and that replenishes the fund. Before my wife passed, she endured massive medical bills for many years. Any other plan would have bankrupted me. I had a healthy 2019 and 2nd half of 2018 (she passed in June 2018) so my fund now is around $12K. If I need dental work or a blood pressure machine I use my HSA debit card. It is allowed and I'm grateful the money is there. As an added benefit under this plan, generic drugs are covered 100% all of the time. Non-generics I pay what Blue Cross pays, not the MSRP cost until deductible is met.

The younger and healthier one is, the HSA is a great way to build up cash for medical expenses, tax free and earns interest, and it's your money. I would support a program to establish HSAs for all in some fashion, I don't know how.

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You forget that I think Trump is the best thing to ever happen to this country. If Mike is conservative he should wait and run as a republican after Trump's second term. I don't see him as middle of the road conservative. If he were he should be singing Trump's praises rather than going after him. After all, Trump is fairly middle of the road conservative.

Mike isn't getting any primary delegates. How will he become the Democrat nominee?
There's only Nevada and South Carolina left before Mike is vested. Don't forget, there's a bunch of super-delegates yet to weigh in. If Bernie makes too good of a showing they'll snub him like last time.
 

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So, instead of just dumping on liberals, as usual, why don't the conservatives come up with a plan. Two years in control of the Presidency and both houses, nothing. And don't blame it on John McCain. He was just one person. I want to see one senator and or congressperson in SC come up with a workable plan and I promise to vote for them.

It's all just BS. Everyone wants someone else do something and no one does anything.
Because all the liberals push is nationalized healthcare. Conservatives push ideas like tort reform, deregulating sales across state lines, and expanded use of HSA's. There are better ideas out there than to just push nationalized healthcare.
 
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I wish some of our European members would chime in. The models over there are tax heavy.
 

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Well, medicare except for everyone and cheaper because of tremendous bargaining power. Many would agree that medicare is substantially more effective than private insurance industries, but obviously that is up for debate with region, income, etc.

Moreover, to your last point from the previous post. It's not a small percentage of need, our healthcare system is a disaster that has left us behind the rest of the developed world. If you have a serious problem and you have really good health insurance plan you're still likely to go bankrupt or at the very least start finding yourself in medical debt. My father has 3k a month in medication, after insurance he still has to pay up to 900 a month I believe and that is with multiple plans. Most people can't afford that, insurance companies regularly turn down life saving mainstream treatments or medication because they don't want to take the cost. The cost of our healthcare has skyrocketed and continues to drastically outpace the majority of wages.

We have the best tech, modern hospitals, fantastic doctors and treatments, yet we're ranked 38th in the world. That's not a need for small change, thats a disaster for profit that needs rectifying, imo.
This is just not true. HDHP's with HSA support should never result in anyone going bankrupt. It's about personal responsibility. Anyone who thinks healthcare should be scott free is just being ridiculous. I suppose your rent, transportation, food, and other things should be free too then.

My daughter had two double lung transplants, more surgeries and hospital stays than you can ever imagine, she was a type 1 diabetic, took monthly IVIG injections that cost over $6K each dose, took anti-rejection medication costing thousands of dollars, not to mention at times up to 20 different monthly prescriptions for digestive enzymes, etc. Her lifetime medical expense was in excess of $6 million. Once my HDHP annual limit was met, insurance covered the remainder. I could also use my HSA to cover my HDHP limit. It was very manageable from a cost perspective.

I will not argue that regulation of pharmaceuticals is needed, but this can be a slippery slope. We also need protections for preexisting conditions. But, to say our system is broken and needs major reform is just not true.
 

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Bloomberg's been having a bad couple of days. First audio defending stop and frisk searches shows up now an audio blaming the end of "redlining" for causing the financial crash. Probably right on both accounts but just some things can't be said anymore.
 

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I think it's between Buttigeg and Klobouchar (2 names I don't know how to spell). They are both somewhat reasonable and could suck some votes from Trump.

Bernie is too crazy. And he barely won in his home state. 90% tax rates? Giving everything away? He would completely destroy the economy in record time if he was able to accomplish what he promises. It would be as bad as Venezuela here.

Don't get me wrong. As a conservative I would love to see the worst candidate (Bernie) win the nomination, but I don't think that's going to happen.
Hey we agree on something!
 

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The problem with Bernie is he just says how he wants the world to be. Free healthcare, free education, make Wall Street suffer. He has no plan on how he would enact it. In that vein. Warren is better. But I think either would lose to Trump. Trump is extreme right and they are extreme left. This country does best with a moderate improving the things that have come before.
 

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Maybe the Democrats can get Romney to run against Trump. How anyone could support the Democratic Party is beyond me. TDS has really caused that party to collapse on itself.
You can’t really believe that.. Do you?
 

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I wish some of our European members would chime in. The models over there are tax heavy.
I spent the first 24 years of my life in England. My mum died a few years ago from mesothelioma.

I can tell you two things.

the healthcare in England is amazing. It really is. I’ve experienced healthcare in the USA and England a great deal. My daughter was born with Kaiser and they did a good job. They did. And with my company paid health insurance it didn’t cost a lot. It didn’t.

but I have gainful employment. I make money. I’m middle class.

cops and firefighters are socialized. If your house is on fire the firemen don’t ask to see your card before they run in and rescue your children. They just do it.

the cops don’t ask to see your card before they shoot the bad guy who’s got a gun to your head. They just do it.

socialism as this country thinks of it should be applied to health. Nobody should go bankrupt before the Dr gives your loved one the medicine they need.
 

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The other flip side is that America went to some lengths to remove asbestos from public buildings like schools. England simply covered it up.

but then America is not perfect. How does flint, Michigan not have clean water? This is a national emergency and should be treated as such.
 

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This is just not true. HDHP's with HSA support should never result in anyone going bankrupt. It's about personal responsibility. Anyone who thinks healthcare should be scott free is just being ridiculous. I suppose your rent, transportation, food, and other things should be free too then.

My daughter had two double lung transplants, more surgeries and hospital stays than you can ever imagine, she was a type 1 diabetic, took monthly IVIG injections that cost over $6K each dose, took anti-rejection medication costing thousands of dollars, not to mention at times up to 20 different monthly prescriptions for digestive enzymes, etc. Her lifetime medical expense was in excess of $6 million. Once my HDHP annual limit was met, insurance covered the remainder. I could also use my HSA to cover my HDHP limit. It was very manageable from a cost perspective.

I will not argue that regulation of pharmaceuticals is needed, but this can be a slippery slope. We also need protections for preexisting conditions. But, to say our system is broken and needs major reform is just not true.
Isn't that assuming you can one pay for medical expenses out of pocket until your deductible is reached while funding your HSA in the mean time till retirement? And even then any time you go to the doctor or hospital you do not know the bill you are going to get and I don't know about you but that scares me. This is not to say Bernie wants to get rid of HSA's for retirees I certainly don't know everything about HSA's in context to his plan but I do know that there are two tier systems in other countries.

The current system is designed to provide profit for investors not to solve health problems for clients. While you may 'like' your health plan but everyone who is paying a for-profit entity for healthcare is paying too much.

Right now we have the worst of both worlds. How insurance and healthcare companies make the most money isn't by providing the best healthcare. It's one of the few businesses that just doesn't make sense to be publicly run. Just like we've decided that it doesn't make sense for police to be a private company.

We talk about healthcare and infrastructure fixes year in and year out. Somehow money doesn't just spontaneously generate unless we're talking about military budget and somehow we find the 50bil to fund defense contracts or better yet somehow figure out a way to lower taxes on the rich and decrease gov't revenue by one trillion. So frustrating watching the rich loot the treasury year in and year out because we've been hoodwinked into believing theres always a bigger bad out there.

We have regulatory departments being run by members from the industry they are supposed to regulate, we're literally a kleptocracy.
 

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The other flip side is that America went to some lengths to remove asbestos from public buildings like schools. England simply covered it up.

but then America is not perfect. How does flint, Michigan not have clean water? This is a national emergency and should be treated as such.
Because the city government is very corrupt
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