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Until you end up in a ditch. They absolutely said the power is too much for the chassis, but they just sugar coated it.
No. They didn't.

"That's NOT because of any failing on the part of the GT500."

Too much power for the chassis would indicate a failing. There is no failing, per their own words.
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No. They didn't.

"That's NOT because of any failing on the part of the GT500."

Too much power for the chassis would indicate a failing. There is no failing, per their own words.
Well, OK, that's definitely subjective. In comparison to the Camaro, it obviously has a more difficult time putting the power to the ground.

They did say that. And they also said this.... “the GT500 simply can't harness its full power—assuming the ground is not covered in sticky traction compound, such as at a drag strip.” Not too many ways to interpret that. I don’t call that a fault of the car either. I put it in the category of a good problem to have. Drivers with more skill learn how to manage the power. I don’t claim to be one of those and I’ve only met a couple guys whom I would place in that category. It’s better than wanting the power and not having it available. But the fact of the matter remains, the only reason the 650 hp car is even in the photo on a track competition is that the power is better matched to the chassis and the driver can get the power to the ground more effectively.
"Can't harness it's full power." How else do you explain it if it's not the chassis?
 

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Well, OK, that's definitely subjective. In comparison to the Camaro, it obviously has a more difficult time putting the power to the ground.

"Can't harness it's full power." How else do you explain it if it's not the chassis?
lolol. man, you are really bad at this

But for standing-start acceleration, all that might is a bit too much. Despite its gooey 315/30ZR-20 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 rear tires, programmable launch control, and quick-shifting seven-speed dual-clutch, the GT500 simply can't harness its full power—assuming the ground is not covered in sticky traction compound, such as at a drag strip. We managed a 3.6-second sprint to 60 mph. That's a solid number, but it's not as quick as the run in the Camaro, which has 110 less horsepower. By 100 mph, though, the Ford is quicker than the Chevy by 0.3 second, and by 160 mph, it's more than five seconds quicker. Its 132-mph trap speed in the quarter is ample proof of the Mustang's powe
 

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Well, OK, that's definitely subjective. In comparison to the Camaro, it obviously has a more difficult time putting the power to the ground.



"Can't harness it's full power." How else do you explain it if it's not the chassis?
The word "NOT" is now subjective? Again, no. It's not.

In regards to the putting the car in a "ditch/dirt" comment, they were specifically talking about the track. How do we know this, because they said it, "The GT500 is alive on the track." They weren't talking about putting power to the ground in that statement. They were talking about the sum of the 500's parts/power "goading" the driver to drive hard and faster than they probably should on a track. I can relate to this, since I own one and as I stated previously in this thread:

"It is not that it has too much power for the chassis (I own one, it does not--it's surprisingly composed for a 760HP beast). It's that it BEGS to be driven, revs to the moon, pulls ALL the way to redline, and sounds oh so good doing so. The 500 "goads" the driver because it is intoxicating and exhilarating, and DOES NOT punish the driver while doing so."

Not harnessing its full power in a straight line isn't about the chassis. This is more about the road surface, the tire, and ambient temperature. On a decent road, with good temperatures, and a driver that knows how to drive, this car puts the power down with ease. And that's with a stock tire.
 

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Voodoo what I find laughable is that you think that Randy would not be unbiased in his approach to testing any car and his attitude towards driving the Mustang, there are many people that work in positions where they need to be unbiased in their job. Randy Pobst would need to be his reputation would need to unchallenged in this area. You like Blaq would always change the narrative to suit your tilt and no one could have a difference of opinion.

Also if a car comes with goodies that are factory parts like a Different PCM with a Factory tune then it is stock in 2 possible configurations.
 

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Not harnessing its full power in a straight line isn't about the chassis. This is more about the road surface, the tire, and ambient temperature. On a decent road, with good temperatures, and a driver that knows how to drive, this car puts the power down with ease. And that's with a stock tire.
So how come it doesn't obliterate the ZL1 as anticipated? It is also subject to road surface, tires and ambient temperatures. Are you saying that the GT500 is more affected by these variables? Is that because, perhaps, the power is too much for the chassis to put it all down?
 

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So how come it doesn't obliterate the ZL1 as anticipated? It is also subject to road surface, tires and ambient temperatures. Are you saying that the GT500 is more affected by these variables? Is that because, perhaps, the power is too much for the chassis to put it all down?
No, it's not about chassis, it's about traction. Roads and tires can only hold a certain amount of power, period. Particularly when you're comparing front engine, rear drive vehicles. It's the same reason an AWD vehicle with less power can often times put down faster 0-60 on the street. It's all about traction.

The reason we know this, is to look at the results on a prepped surface. The 500 will completely decimate a ZLE on a drag strip. Is that because it has a better chassis? No. it's because it has more power, a faster shifting transmission, and can utilize more of that power in those conditions.
 

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So how come it doesn't obliterate the ZL1 as anticipated? It is also subject to road surface, tires and ambient temperatures. Are you saying that the GT500 is more affected by these variables? Is that because, perhaps, the power is too much for the chassis to put it all down?
From a roll, the ZL1 will be on the losing end of gap city.
 

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No, it's not about chassis, it's about traction. Roads and tires can only hold a certain amount of power, period. Particularly when you're comparing front engine, rear drive vehicles. It's the same reason an AWD vehicle with less power can often times put down faster 0-60 on the street. It's all about traction.

The reason we know this, is to look at the results on a prepped surface. The 500 will completely decimate a ZLE on a drag strip. Is that because it has a better chassis? No. it's because it has more power, a faster shifting transmission, and can utilize more of that power in those conditions.
You're just proving my point. If it needs a specialized surface in order to get traction, it's too much power.

From a roll, the ZL1 will be on the losing end of gap city.
GT500 will be in another zip code. Nobody is arguing that the GT500 doesn't accelerate harder once it hooks up.
 

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GT500 will be in another zip code. Nobody is arguing that the GT500 doesn't accelerate harder once it hooks up.
Also on a prepped surface or with even stickier tires.....AND it's faster on any but the shorter(autocross) road courses.....it's more versatile, faster, rides better and is a helluva lot better looking...it's really a no contest.
 

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You're just proving my point. If it needs a specialized surface in order to get traction, it's too much power.



GT500 will be in another zip code. Nobody is arguing that the GT500 doesn't accelerate harder once it hooks up.
First, you said that it was about chassis. It’s not.

Second, too much power for whom? Where else do you use the power/abilities any of these cars possess, other than on a track and/or drag strip?

Are you a professional street racer or something? Lol!
 

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You're just proving my point. If it needs a specialized surface in order to get traction, it's too much power.



GT500 will be in another zip code. Nobody is arguing that the GT500 doesn't accelerate harder once it hooks up.
All three of these cars need a specialized surface in order to get traction. They all have too much power for their tires/street.
 

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All three of these cars need a specialized surface in order to get traction. They all have too much power for their tires/street.
The ZL1 puts up similar times on the street as it does on the strip. So, 2 of the 3 cars need a specialized surface...

And apparently even with a drag strip, success is not guaranteed.

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