2020 GT350R vs 2020 GT500 Track

[WesS]

Do you think the 2020 GT350R can hold its own against the new 2020 GT500 on the track? Maybe not the cftp option, but the base?

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[thill444]

Do you think the 2020 GT350R can hold its own against the new 2020 GT500 on the track? Maybe not the cftp option, but the base?

On a very tight technical course it’s possible. The GT500 will have a huge advantage in the straights though.

 

[lightrules]

check out this recent video, it's 1 data point on this matter:

 

[WesS]

check out this recent video, it's 1 data point on this matter:

Pretty much every test done on a GT350R is pre 2019/2020 a lot are 2016. That’s why I’d like to see what the 2020 can do. Yes HP is a big name in the game, but so is suspension and grip. I’d like to see a 2020 GT350R comparison.

 

[mavisky]

Having been in a GT500 they're almost equal in terms of grip to the GT350. The minor weight advantage of the GT350 will help some, but not enough to make up for the extra power in 99% of the situations you'll come across. If you ran a glorified go-kart track and neutered the GT500 by making it run on PS4S tires and gave the GT350R the Cup 2 tires, then maybe you could beat it.

 

[PP0001]

Pretty much every test done on a GT350R is pre 2019/2020 a lot are 2016. That’s why I’d like to see what the 2020 can do. Yes HP is a big name in the game, but so is suspension and grip. I’d like to see a 2020 GT350R comparison.

I really enjoyed watching this video and liked the presenters detailed graphs and charts and thought they were very well done. I am not totally sure that all of the performance numbers supplied were accurate when it comes to a 2020 GT350R but what numbers he did present were well presented.

Like you I would like to see real world performance numbers for all three 2020 models and not using performance numbers for a GT350R from a few years ago.

The Race Red GT350R model in the video looked very cool but that R model was at least 2 or 3 years old based on the fact that it was one of the 135 Base R models built before Ford discontinued production for all Base R models as of May 1st, 2018 but always like seeing the radio delete cover on the dash and seeing no navigation globe on the rear of the roof.

FWIW when I weighed my 2018 Base R model it came in at 3620# with pretty much a half tank of fuel.

Thanks for posting and really looking forward to a true 2020 comparison for all 3 vehicles very soon.

 

[svttim]

Short answer, it can hold its own just fine. The track will matter as some have suggested. Road America is a huge horsepower track whereas, Gingerman Raceway in Michigan is not. Then there is the driver which is the most important factor in the equation. Magazine track times are useless.

 

[svassh]

Did a little research, Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca is probably the best comparison.

2016 GT350R - 1:36:11 laptime
2019 GT350 - 1:36:83 laptime
2020 GT500 - Need a data point here I'm sure MT will run this at some point.

 

[honeybadger]

Do you think the 2020 GT350R can hold its own against the new 2020 GT500 on the track? Maybe not the cftp option, but the base?

No. Billy Johnson said the GT500 is faster than the R by a couple of seconds. Better braking, lateral grip, and power.

 

[lightrules]

No. Billy Johnson said the GT500 is faster than the R by a couple of seconds. Better braking, lateral grip, and power.

Kev, wouldn't the specific track determine this? I'd think that highly technical tracks with shorter straights would go in the R's favor while tracks with long straights would benefit the GT500.

 

[honeybadger]

Kev, wouldn't the specific track determine this? I'd think that highly technical tracks with shorter straights would go in the R's favor while tracks with long straights would benefit the GT500.

I don't think so. The GT500 literally beats the R in every category - turning, stopping and straight away. Add in the DCT to it's already 200 more HP and you'll have a car that puts down power sooner and more efficiently.

I can't think of any conditions where the GT500 will lose to an R drivers/conditions being equal, to be honest.

All that said, meh. I'll take N/A every day. I eat ZL1 1LEs, Z06s, and GT3s for breakfast. I only lose out to ones with really fast drivers and often because of those damn DCTs. I need a sequential

 

[Wildcardfox]

Did a little research, Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca is probably the best comparison.

2016 GT350R - 1:36:11 laptime
2019 GT350 - 1:36:83 laptime
2020 GT500 - Need a data point here I'm sure MT will run this at some point.

You can’t trust a comparison of lap times unless they are done on the same day, within minutes of each other, in the same brand new tires. Grabbing tests from a day in 2016, and one in 2019, etc. is not something that we can use as empirical data. Too many variables that have changed.

 

[firestarter2]

I don't think so. The GT500 literally beats the R in every category - turning, stopping and straight away. Add in the DCT to it's already 200 more HP and you'll have a car that puts down power sooner and more efficiently.

I can't think of any conditions where the GT500 will lose to an R drivers/conditions being equal, to be honest.

All that said, meh. I'll take N/A every day. I eat ZL1 1LEs, Z06s, and GT3s for breakfast. I only lose out to ones with really fast drivers and often because of those damn DCTs. I need a sequential

How do you quantify turning and stopping? Stopping would be interesting if that is true.

Id not expect a GT350R to beat a GT500 in anyway that was measurable except maybe stopping.

 

[honeybadger]

How do you quantify turning and stopping? Stopping would be interesting if that is true.

Id not expect a GT350R to beat a GT500 in anyway that was measurable except maybe stopping.

I assume stopping is calculated by which car stops in fewer feet and turning calculated by higher sustained lateral g. I don't see any directly published materials, so can't say for certain.

Just sharing what I remember Billy Johnson saying. He should know since he's the test/development driver responsible for both car's on-track performance.

 

[firestarter2]

I assume stopping is calculated by which car stops in fewer feet and turning calculated by higher sustained lateral g. I don't see any directly published materials, so can't say for certain.

Just sharing what I remember Billy Johnson saying. He should know since he's the test/development driver responsible for both car's on-track performance.

Ah interesting same size rubber and less weight I would think would give the GT350R and advantage.

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