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[Bikeman315]

Everyone one is worried for nothing the politicians in Washington are getting ready to let the EV tax credit die and most all of the states are raising or putting new taxes on EV's. So the interest in EV's is going to drop off dramatically except for the rich in crowd.

The government decided not to increase the car sale limits beyond it’s current levels. This means the end of credits for Tesla. No such problem for Ford or others.

South Carolina has placed a fee on Hybrids ($60 for two years) and EV’s ($100 for two years) to partially to make up for the gas taxes not being taken. Of course an ICE powered car that gets better mileage than an Hybrid doesn’t get “taxed”. Oh well!

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[martinjlm]

Some states are also starting to tax EVs by miles driven because they don't generate any state revenue from the state gas tax.

There are states that are adding special taxes to EVs, but none have yet figured out a fair way to do it based on miles driven. Some are considering it, but it hasn't actually happened yet.

Some states, including Vermont and Oregon, are considering a fee based on vehicle miles traveled, rather than fuel type. But that model has yet to catch on.

Full article: https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/13-states-now-charge-fees-for-electric-vehicles

At the time when that article was written (2017) there were 17 states with some sort of additional charge. Now the number is up to 26 states. At this point all of them use some sort of additional charge at time of annual vehicle registration.

A more recent article: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/sta...ers-with-high-fees-consumer-reports-says.html

Even though the fees are pretty steep and EV owners are p!$$ed, most conclude that the additional fees are dwarfed by their savings in fuel cost.

 

[green97probe]

Some states are also starting to tax EVs by miles driven because they don't generate any state revenue from the state gas tax.

Ol' Tommy Wolf is going to screw the EV folks here in Pennsylvania for sure then LOL.

 

[zackmd1]

There are states that are adding special taxes to EVs, but none have yet figured out a fair way to do it based on miles driven. Some are considering it, but it hasn't actually happened yet.

Some states, including Vermont and Oregon, are considering a fee based on vehicle miles traveled, rather than fuel type. But that model has yet to catch on.

Full article: https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/13-states-now-charge-fees-for-electric-vehicles

At the time when that article was written (2017) there were 17 states with some sort of additional charge. Now the number is up to 26 states. At this point all of them use some sort of additional charge at time of annual vehicle registration.

A more recent article: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/sta...ers-with-high-fees-consumer-reports-says.html

Even though the fees are pretty steep and EV owners are p!$$ed, most conclude that the additional fees are dwarfed by their savings in fuel cost.

They can't figure out a fair tax (as if those two words ever go together... but that is a discussion for another time) based on miles driven because some of those miles might be driven out of the state. Why should one state get revenue from miles driven in another state?

They can't just tax charging stations like gas stations because of the home charging aspect (the state would not be able to get "enough" revenue from that) so they are falling back to the one thing they can control in their state...

Thankfully Maryland has yet to enact an additional fee or tax for EV owners but it is coming at some point... Virginia has done it so it is only a matter of time for Maryland...

 

[shogun32]

State taxes on gasoline - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
Counties can add a few pennies to 20c or maybe more. EV owners will get hit for the revenue loss regardless of their efforts to save humanity. It's always about the money.

I have no problem with use taxes - ie. charged by the gallon or mile. If you don't want to pay the tax, don't operate the vehicle or pick one that minimizes the expense.

 

[shogun32]

This sounds like a lead up to the state tracking every mile and taxing you accordingly.

they do that now, just indirectly. For EV every time your car goes for state inspection or title renewal they'll log the ODO. And send you a bill just like they do annually for property taxes (if you're unlucky to get hit with those). Don't like it find another mode of transport or better yet "remove" the 85% of gov't that is useless and incompetent anyway.

 

[martinjlm]

they do that now, just indirectly. For EV every time your car goes for state inspection or title renewal they'll log the ODO. And send you a bill just like they do annually for property taxes (if you're unlucky to get hit with those). Don't like it find another mode of transport or better yet "remove" the 85% of gov't that is useless and incompetent anyway.

Some states CAN do that now, but are you aware of any states that actually do? Vermont was going to tax EVs based on mileage but backed off. I don't know why. Many states (my state of Michigan, for example) never ask for odometer readings except when you sell the car. We renew our registrations over the net. They never see my car, let alone the odometer. Most states do not have a physical inspection for registration renewal.

 

[GT Pony]

There are states that are adding special taxes to EVs, but none have yet figured out a fair way to do it based on miles driven. Some are considering it, but it hasn't actually happened yet.

Yes, I should have used the words "gearing up", as this idea seems to be getting traction at least in some way right now (voluntary basis for "beta testing" so to speak), and it will just be a matter of a few years when all the money hungry states are on board with targeting EVs for tax money income.

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/st...fc480f05-7192-55b5-bf75-8e3145a1a252.amp.html

 

[GT Pony]

They can't just tax charging stations like gas stations because of the home charging aspect (the state would not be able to get "enough" revenue from that) so they are falling back to the one thing they can control in their state...

At some point, my bet is home charging systems will require to have it's own power meter so the state can charge power going into the EV separate from the power going into the house. The EV power use will be broken out separate on your power bill.

And it should be easy for the state to charge a "power tax" like a gas tax whatever they want on a public charging station, just like how gas stations charge for price on a gas pump.

 

[Bikeman315]

At some point, my bet is home charging systems will require to have it's own power meter so the state can charge power going into the EV separate from the power going into the house. The EV power use will be broken out separate on your power bill.

And it should be easy for the state to charge a "power tax" like a gas tax whatever they want on a public charging station, just like how gas stations charge for price on a gas pump.

So what if you have an EV and do not have a home? You charge it at your place of business? And not everybody pays at public stations so they need to figure that out to.
Suffice it to say that at least some of our taxes/fees do go into fixing our infrastructure. So the EV folks are going to have to pay their fair share. How to do it is another matter. I have full faith in our state governments to screw everybody, equally or not.

 

[GT Pony]

So what if you have an EV and do not have a home? You charge it at your place of business? And not everybody pays at public stations so they need to figure that out to.
Suffice it to say that at least some of our taxes/fees do go into fixing our infrastructure. So the EV folks are going to have to pay their fair share. How to do it is another matter. I have full faith in our state governments to screw everybody, equally or not.

Yep, there is definately going to be some "EV money grab challenges", for the states, so your last sentence will no doubt always hold true.

 

[nrc]

If you want to see just how screwed Ford is check out Hackett's Wikipedia page. His claim to fame is turning around Steelcase. Office furniture. That's what Ford thinks they're selling.

He turned it around with job cuts and modernizing their furniture with new, "modern" products. That's what he thinks he's doing. Making a new, modern line of widgets. The marketing people probably focus grouped him into branding it with Mustang. It means no more to him than any of the names that marketing people apply to office furniture.

If you think all of this nonsense in any way secures the future of the real Mustang, you're deluded. It's just their new marketing buzzword. Nothing would make these bean counters happier than to be able to maintain the halo affect of the Mustang brand name without the baggage of a declining market segment.

 

[Bikeman315]

If you want to see just how screwed Ford is check out Hackett's Wikipedia page. His claim to fame is turning around Steelcase. Office furniture. That's what Ford thinks they're selling.

He turned it around with job cuts and modernizing their furniture with new, "modern" products. That's what he thinks he's doing. Making a new, modern line of widgets. The marketing people probably focus grouped him into branding it with Mustang. It means no more to him than any of the names that marketing people apply to office furniture.

If you think all of this nonsense in any way secures the future of the real Mustang, you're deluded. It's just their new marketing buzzword. Nothing would make these bean counters happier than to be able to maintain the halo affect of the Mustang brand name without the baggage of a declining market segment.

In this case deluded is a good thing. Honestly the knowledge that our Mustang is continuing makes accepting the Mach-E easier. I also believe in Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, & and that professional wrestling is real.

 

[martinjlm]

If you want to see just how screwed Ford is check out Hackett's Wikipedia page. His claim to fame is turning around Steelcase. Office furniture. That's what Ford thinks they're selling.

He turned it around with job cuts and modernizing their furniture with new, "modern" products. That's what he thinks he's doing. Making a new, modern line of widgets. The marketing people probably focus grouped him into branding it with Mustang. It means no more to him than any of the names that marketing people apply to office furniture.

If you think all of this nonsense in any way secures the future of the real Mustang, you're deluded. It's just their new marketing buzzword. Nothing would make these bean counters happier than to be able to maintain the halo affect of the Mustang brand name without the baggage of a declining market segment.

Skill sets required of a CEO often transcend product lines. Similar as with Sales Executives. It helps to have a good understanding of the product, but that doesn’t automatically exclude you. Case in point....Ford’s last really good CEO was Alan Mullaly. Before Ford he was in aerospace. Boeing to be exact. More technical than furniture, for sure, but still not cars.

 

[EcoVert]

Skill sets required of a CEO often transcend product lines. Similar as with Sales Executives. It helps to have a good understanding of the product, but that doesn’t automatically exclude you. Case in point....Ford’s last really good CEO was Alan Mullaly. Before Ford he was in aerospace. Boeing to be exact. More technical than furniture, for sure, but still not cars.

Ford needs someone like Alan back I didn't like killing Mercury but he did save the company.

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