Let's talk about the C8 vs the GT500

[jake_zx2]

If it's faster why not? Hp is just a number. I think people buying those don't care if it has less power if it's a faster car

Because that's not the way the mind of the average consumer works. Sure, to us enthusiasts, ANY performance bump is desired, regardless of the horsepower numbers associated. But to the masses, they look at 2 numbers; horsepower and top speed

You mean the SAME GM that has ATSV and CTSV replacements both making less hp than the current ATSV and CTSV?

But they aren't called "CTS-V" and "ATS-V", now are they?

If the "Z06" came back as something NOT called "Z06", then yeah, they probably could get away with less power because it's NOT a Z06

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[martinjlm]

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But they aren't called "CTS-V" and "ATS-V", now are they?

If the "Z06" came back as something NOT called "Z06", then yeah, they probably could get away with less power because it's NOT a Z06

Well....yes....and no....

There is a CT5-V (CT5 replacing CTS) and there is a CT4-V (CT4 replacing ATS) but now they are mid-level trims instead of top dogs. There will be top dogs, but they won’t be called CT5-V or CT4-V. They’ll be called Blackwing. Or maybe they won’t. Confused yet? Good. I don’t have enough “adult beverages” on my shelf to figure out what the hell Cadillac Marketing is doing with their product naming. Maybe I should just ask if I can have one or two of what they’re drinking.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Well....yes....and no....

There is a CT5-V (CT5 replacing CTS) and there is a CT4-V (CT4 replacing ATS) but now they are mid-level trims instead of top dogs. There will be top dogs, but they won’t be called CT5-V or CT4-V. They’ll be called Blackwing. Or maybe they won’t. Confused yet? Good. I don’t have enough “adult beverages” on my shelf to figure out what the hell Cadillac Marketing is doing with their product naming. Maybe I should just ask if I can have one or two of what they’re drinking.

Their just trying to keep up with the rest of GMs marketing brilliant alpha numeric system.

 

[Hack]

Most people must not be reading what you do I guess?

Or not comprehending/listening when the reviewers state which car they would rather own.

Just so you know, according to him, if you point out something shitty about a Ford product that you own, you also have to point out something shitty about a GM product as well, otherwise you're a troll.

Oh, poor guy! Are you ok?

 

[martinjlm]

Or not comprehending/listening when the reviewers state which car they would rather own.

Having had the 2019 GT350 for a couple days I get this. ZL1s that I have driven would easily outperform it on the drag strip. They would also outperform it on the road course, though it would be a lot closer than it was in 2016 when I drove a 2016 GT350 and a 2017 ZL1 back to back. Back then I would have chosen the ZL1 over the GT350. It performed better and felt better. The 2019 feels like a different car than the 2016. And even though the ZL1 outperforms it, the 2019 GT350 just feels more fun to drive.

 

[millhouse]

Having had the 2019 GT350 for a couple days I get this. ZL1s that I have driven would easily outperform it on the drag strip. They would also outperform it on the road course, though it would be a lot closer than it was in 2016 when I drove a 2016 GT350 and a 2017 ZL1 back to back. Back then I would have chosen the ZL1 over the GT350. It performed better and felt better. The 2019 feels like a different car than the 2016. And even though the ZL1 outperforms it, the 2019 GT350 just feels more fun to drive.

Ford it seems has been quietly upgrading both the base GT350 and GT350R. Recall in previous head to head testing, the GT350R was VERY close around the track to the ZL1. I'd venture to say with these latest round of updates that it may very well outperform the ZL1 around a lot of tracks.

Also worth noting, the current GT350 took second in Motortrends 2019 best drivers car. I'm wondering if for next year they test both the upgraded R and the GT500?

 

[Cardude99]

Because that's not the way the mind of the average consumer works. Sure, to us enthusiasts, ANY performance bump is desired, regardless of the horsepower numbers associated. But to the masses, they look at 2 numbers; horsepower and top speed

I don't believe that the masses buy 100k plus sports cars.

 

[Hack]

Also worth noting, the current GT350 took second in Motortrends 2019 best drivers car. I'm wondering if for next year they test both the upgraded R and the GT500?

It's interesting to note that Motor Trend hasn't really liked too many Mustang models including PP and PP2, but they do like the GT350 quite a bit.

 

[martinjlm]

Ford it seems has been quietly upgrading both the base GT350 and GT350R. Recall in previous head to head testing, the GT350R was VERY close around the track to the ZL1. I'd venture to say with these latest round of updates that it may very well outperform the ZL1 around a lot of tracks.

Also worth noting, the current GT350 took second in Motortrends 2019 best drivers car. I'm wondering if for next year they test both the upgraded R and the GT500?

Equally worth noting that Motor Trend also picked the 2020 Corvette Stingray Z51 over that same Porsche.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/

 

[millhouse]

Equally worth noting that Motor Trend also picked the 2020 Corvette Stingray Z51 over that same Porsche.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/

Haha, next years BDC competition is going to be nuts.

 

[millhouse]

Equally worth noting that Motor Trend also picked the 2020 Corvette Stingray Z51 over that same Porsche.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/

One interesting tidbit of info. It appears the GT350 ran a 1:36.83 during that competition. That's nearly a second quicker than the SS 1LE they tested in 2016. I know, different days comes into play here...but for those that were always speculating how the SS 1LE would fare against the non-R, now they have more fuel for the fire. For reference, the R ran a 1:36.11 that year.

 

[Kirgiz]

not a bad hypothesis. I was fully expecting the 5.2 TT to win out along with the 10 speed, with a long shot AWD tier.

that DCT though. I think it’s responsible for the new stratosphere the 500 is playing in. The 760 hp doesn’t hurt though.

DCT is nothing special. You can find them in Europe everywhere. Even in 1.0 liter 3 cyliner cars.

 

[martinjlm]

DCT is nothing special. You can find them in Europe everywhere. Even in 1.0 liter 3 cyliner cars.

Those are completely different DCTs though. It's like saying a Shih Tsu is a dog and a Cane Corso is a dog. European 1.0L cars have Shih Tsu DCTs. The GT500 / C8 DCTs are Cane Corsos.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Those are completely different DCTs though. It's like saying a Shih Tsu is a dog and a Cane Corso is a dog. European 1.0L cars have Shih Tsu DCTs. The GT500 / C8 DCTs are Cane Corsos.

FACTS!!!!!! DCT in a Merc CLA250 is pure shit.

 

[Laststandard]

One interesting tidbit of info. It appears the GT350 ran a 1:36.83 during that competition. That's nearly a second quicker than the SS 1LE they tested in 2016. I know, different days comes into play here...but for those that were always speculating how the SS 1LE would fare against the non-R, now they have more fuel for the fire. For reference, the R ran a 1:36.11 that year.

Welll.. I would hope a car that's up 70 hp and is a $15k+ premium over the 1LE would be more than a second faster

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