GT500 vs It's competitors: Is it really overprice ?

[02gtnh]

You are applying logic reason and experience to someone who is 100% a troll. here only to attempt to talk down. doubt me,? just look at his post history. everything is anti ford and pro gm.

Why, because I don’t put the cart before the horse? You talk like all your numbers are facts, yet nothing out there to back claim. I just said it’s smarter to wait and see what it does. If it does great then it’s great, but if it doesn’t, then you don’t look like a fool. Your the only one spouting off that the gt500 is doing all these great numbers, while most are waiting for real results. You can call me a troll, but I like facts, not hearsay.

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[nastang87xx]

Paying for porn is overpriced too but whatever...

 

[Strokerswild]

People actually pay for porn?

 

[nastang87xx]

People actually pay for porn?

I mean, I don't. I.....wait a sec..........oh crap. So anyway. How's your guys' love lives doing? Actually, don't answer that. Anyway, about that GT500. Tis about tree fiddy.

 

[Ninjak]

So when a GT500 can actually run the times that was shown what's next ? The C8 only cost 59k and barely loses argument ?...sheesh. I'm still baffled why we are comparing a DEDICATED 2 SEAT SPORTS CAR to a 4 SEAT MUSCLE CAR ?????? Confused...greatly.....

 

[martinjlm]

So when a GT500 can actually run the times that was shown what's next ? The C8 only cost 59k and barely loses argument ?...sheesh. I'm still baffled why we are comparing a DEDICATED 2 SEAT SPORTS CAR to a 4 SEAT MUSCLE CAR ?????? Confused...greatly.....

It really comes down to two words. Similar price. I drove a really nice 2019 GT350 for a couple days last week. Awesome car. I wouldn't hesitate to add it to my garage. It stickered at $65,600. Worth every penny of it in my opinion. I can spec a base level 2020 Stingray with Z51 package for $66,890. At that point there is an immediate need to compare capabilities for anyone who is "back seat agnostic". I am definitely back seat agnostic.

Anybody looking to spend $80-ish thousand dollars for a really fast car has just a few options. Some have 4 seats, some have two. Those who NEED 4 seats will only look at the ones with 4 seats. Those (like me) who could give a $#!t whether it has 2 seats, 4 seats, or 3 rows. If it does what it's supposed to do. Fast sporty cars are also supposed to only have 2 doors. Except Charger Hellcat and Tesla Model S / Model 3 I guess. Oh, and those damn BMWs. Almost forgot Audis. And Alfa Romeos....Get the point? Performance comes in a lot of flavors and configurations. Number of seats is way down the list. Right next to number of doors.

 

[millhouse]

So when a GT500 can actually run the times that was shown what's next ? The C8 only cost 59k and barely loses argument ?...sheesh. I'm still baffled why we are comparing a DEDICATED 2 SEAT SPORTS CAR to a 4 SEAT MUSCLE CAR ?????? Confused...greatly.....

I'm sorry, I don't think the GT500 is in the muscle car segment anymore. It's a 4 seat sports coupe. The price and performance of the GT500 transcends the muscle car segment. This is now in the same market as the corvette and the nissan GT-R. Quite frankly, I would say the same about the ZL1, albeit to a slightly lesser degree.

As for comparisons, It's a valid one. The GT500 is more expensive and offers similar or better performance.

The real question I have is...why shouldn't we compare it? I haven't heard a real argument on this other than the GT500 has more seats...which doesn't hold water on vehicles in this price range. People ARE going to cross shop these vehicles.

As an example, take this article comparing the 2 seat corvette to the 4 seat Porsche 911:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/

Again, I'm not discounting those that need rear seats. At these price-points though, the "I need a rear seat for the kids" factor is thrown out the window. These cars start at $70k. A vast majority are not going to be purchased as daily drivers or as family vehicles. Most that can truly afford these cars aren't going to care about the back seat.

 

[martinjlm]

I'm sorry, I don't think the GT500 is in the muscle car segment anymore. It's a 4 seat sports coupe. The price and performance of the GT500 transcends the muscle car segment. This is now in the same market as the corvette and the nissan GT-R. Quite frankly, I would say the same about the ZL1, albeit to a slightly lesser degree.

As for comparisons, It's a valid one. The GT500 is more expensive and offers similar or better performance.

The real question I have is...why shouldn't we compare it? I haven't heard a real argument on this other than the GT500 has more seats...which doesn't hold water on vehicles in this price range. People ARE going to cross shop these vehicles.

As an example, take this article comparing the 2 seat corvette to the 4 seat Porsche 911:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/

Again, I'm not discounting those that need rear seats. At these price-points though, the "I need a rear seat for the kids" factor is thrown out the window. These cars start at $70k. A vast majority are not going to be purchased as daily drivers or as family vehicles. Most that can truly afford these cars aren't going to care about the back seat.

This is an AWESOME point. I mentioned that I had a GT350 for a couple days. A couple weeks before that I had a Bullitt for a couple days. Believe it or not, this is all part of my job. While I would own a GT350 in a heartbeat, I have no interest in owning a Bullitt. As I said in one of my reviews of the two, it is really hard to believe they have the same bones. The GT350 is just so much more car in every direction. And I would imagine the GT500 will be even moreso. The Shelby Mustangs have outgrown the muscle car label and are just straight up sports cars with back seats (most of them). They're track cars. If you wanna drive them like a muscle car, you can do that for sure. But they are so much more than that.

 

[V00D00]

Why, because I don’t put the cart before the horse? You talk like all your numbers are facts, yet nothing out there to back claim. I just said it’s smarter to wait and see what it does. If it does great then it’s great, but if it doesn’t, then you don’t look like a fool. Your the only one spouting off that the gt500 is doing all these great numbers, while most are waiting for real results. You can call me a troll, but I like facts, not hearsay.

because youre ok with data if its pro GM, but not pro ford, hence troll. you use the word "if" as if it hasnt already shown to be a killer, as IF, they havent already stated what it will do. no point responding to you anymore.

It really comes down to two words. Similar price. I drove a really nice 2019 GT350 for a couple days last week. Awesome car. I wouldn't hesitate to add it to my garage. It stickered at $65,600. Worth every penny of it in my opinion. I can spec a base level 2020 Stingray with Z51 package for $66,890. At that point there is an immediate need to compare capabilities for anyone who is "back seat agnostic". I am definitely back seat agnostic.

Anybody looking to spend $80-ish thousand dollars for a really fast car has just a few options. Some have 4 seats, some have two. Those who NEED 4 seats will only look at the ones with 4 seats. Those (like me) who could give a $#!t whether it has 2 seats, 4 seats, or 3 rows. If it does what it's supposed to do. Fast sporty cars are also supposed to only have 2 doors. Except Charger Hellcat and Tesla Model S / Model 3 I guess. Oh, and those damn BMWs. Almost forgot Audis. And Alfa Romeos....Get the point? Performance comes in a lot of flavors and configurations. Number of seats is way down the list. Right next to number of doors.

it really comes down to what you want from a car. I just sold a 2 seater race car, hated i couldnt take the family out when not racing. now i must have 4 seats. The argument will never be invalid, and only gets stronger when the price of said vehicle goes higher.

Do you have any other vehicles besides the convertible SS? has the SS ever been on the strip or a roadcourse?

I'm sorry, I don't think the GT500 is in the muscle car segment anymore. It's a 4 seat sports coupe. The price and performance of the GT500 transcends the muscle car segment. This is now in the same market as the corvette and the nissan GT-R. Quite frankly, I would say the same about the ZL1, albeit to a slightly lesser degree.

Would you say its unjustly compared to those cars, by segment and price? Or is it so good, its punching above its weightclass?

As for comparisons, It's a valid one. The GT500 is more expensive and offers similar or better performance.



The real question I have is...why shouldn't we compare it? I haven't heard a real argument on this other than the GT500 has more seats...which doesn't hold water on vehicles in this price range. People ARE going to cross shop these vehicles.

Ok, so compare the C8 to a 720 McClaren. its only a price difference at that point right, its much much closer to being similar in every regard. but the performance #s are what we want to compare-- so the better performer is the better purchase

As an example, take this article comparing the 2 seat corvette to the 4 seat Porsche 911:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/

Again, I'm not discounting those that need rear seats. At these price-points though, the "I need a rear seat for the kids" factor is thrown out the window.
negatory- at this price point the seats become a much larger issue. those that can afford it, are asking if they are getting value from the car. value as in, can they use it when they want to, can they use it for more than a racing. How many people buy a brand new car just for racing? rhetorical of course. how many people buy a car for nostalgia, racing, carshows, or general self fulfilmment.. the sales #s reflect that of base vs CFTP.

These cars start at $70k. A vast majority are not going to be purchased as daily drivers or as family vehicles. Most that can truly afford these cars aren't going to care about the back seat.

you again are missing the point, Daily driver, no. family vehices, yes. start a poll, who is getting one, how many family members they have. then you may finally see

 

[martinjlm]

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it really comes down to what you want from a car. I just sold a 2 seater race car, hated i couldnt take the family out when not racing. now i must have 4 seats. The argument will never be invalid, and only gets stronger when the price of said vehicle goes higher.

you have any other vehicles besides the convertible SS? has the SS ever been on the strip or a roadcourse?

My daily is a Cadillac SRX that has the required backseats and cargo area. My wife's daily is a Chevrolet Volt and we don't hesitate to take each other's "daily". I actually prefer driving her Volt over my SRX.

My avatar is a photo taken just before I pulled up to the staging lights lights at Milan dragway. I think my SS convertible can navigate to Milan on autopilot. My best time there (to date) is a 12.68 quarter mile at 111. It's also been on the strip at Beech Bend in Bowling Green, Ky. It's also been on the track at M1 Concourse. And it's been shopping at Costco. No big surprise, since that's where I get most of my gas.

 

[Gogoggansgo]

The issue really isn’t the price if you can get one for msrp. The biggest issue for me is the fact that, you can get damn near the same if not faster “straight line” performance out of boosting a gen 3 car. This isn’t 2004 and boosted a 2 valve to 400whp is the end of the world for the engine. This just me but the gt500 is a reflection of Ford management right now “it’s just good enough, they’ll buy it” instead of trying to push boundaries like they did with the gt350, which also needs more hp. I’m more disappointed with ford than the gt500 itself IMO

 

[V00D00]

My daily is a Cadillac SRX that has the required backseats and cargo area. My wife's daily is a Chevrolet Volt and we don't hesitate to take each other's "daily". I actually prefer driving her Volt over my SRX.

My avatar is a photo taken just before I pulled up to the staging lights lights at Milan dragway. I think my SS convertible can navigate to Milan on autopilot. My best time there (to date) is a 12.68 quarter mile at 111. It's also been on the strip at Beech Bend in Bowling Green, Ky. It's also been on the track at M1 Concourse. And it's been shopping at Costco. No big surprise, since that's where I get most of my gas.

interesting, so all 3 of you cars have rear seats.. even your toy? fantastic

 

[V00D00]

The issue really isn’t the price if you can get one for msrp. The biggest issue for me is the fact that, you can get damn near the same if not faster “straight line” performance out of boosting a gen 3 car. This isn’t 2004 and boosted a 2 valve to 400whp is the end of the world for the engine. This just me but the gt500 is a reflection of Ford management right now “it’s just good enough, they’ll buy it” instead of trying to push boundaries like they did with the gt350, which also needs more hp. I’m more disappointed with ford than the gt500 itself IMO

and i had a honda that will smoke all of them for 1/4 the price. the fact you only see it as a straight line car, and ONLY care about the 1/4 ET per $, the car isnt meant for you.Mustang GT and works a Dodge plant? no signs of bridge dwelling there

 

[martinjlm]

interesting, so all 3 of you cars have rear seats.. even your toy? fantastic

The 2017 Camaro was purchased after considering 2017 Grand Sport convertible, 2017 Z06 convertible and 2017 ZL1 convertible. Why did I choose it over the Grand Sport or the Z06? Had N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with back seats. I don’t like the way C7 convertibles look with the top up. That’s it. End of story. My requirements were for a V8 convertible that handles well enough to take to the road course. Period.

Even though all our cars have back seats, we don’t use them. Our kids are grown and have their own cars. The SRX is good for trips. That’s the only time they get used. Wait... I stand corrected. We also use the back seat of the SRX to take our German Shepherd to the dog park.

 

[V00D00]

The 2017 Camaro was purchased after considering 2017 Grand Sport convertible, 2017 Z06 convertible and 2017 ZL1 convertible. Why did I choose it over the Grand Sport or the Z06? Had N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with back seats. I don’t like the way C7 convertibles look with the top up. That’s it. End of story. My requirements were for a V8 convertible that handles well enough to take to the road course. Period.

Even though all our cars have back seats, we don’t use them. Our kids are grown and have their own cars. The SRX is good for trips. That’s the only time they get used. Wait... I stand corrected. We also use the back seat of the SRX to take our German Shepherd to the dog park.

you say that here and now, but your actions and purchases all have something in common.. backseats

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