3star2nr
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So ive been fighting notchy shifts like all mustang owners etc,and like all mustang owners we believe the problem is the MT82... We yearn, drool and fantasize over the tremec in the GT350s... Or at least i do... But is the MT82 REALLY THAT BAD?
The more I've been thinking about the more I'm starting to believe it's not. I think the problem isnt so much in the tranny but the supporting hardware... Now this is all my opinion so feel free to disagree but these are problem areas i see that we need to address.
So I've noticed a couple issues
1. Ford uses a combined reservoir for the brake and clutch hydraulic circuits... It makes sense for someone driving to cars and coffee and to work. But when you start driving like a man, this is a flawed design... Whats happening is as the brakes cook the fluid under hard braking the fluid in the clutch system will also boil, so the clutch won't dissengage as it should so lock out...
2. Ford cheaped out... These trannies are too small, and dont have enough oil capacity. They really need to have a transmission oil cooler... Just like the GT350. Or we can get a transmission air scoop, and maybe design some aftermarket heatsinks to help cool it down.
3. The hydraulic throwout bearing. I get the logic. And advantages of this system, but I'm not convinced that its more efficent than the traditional and simpler clutch fork system... That has been used since god gave adam a 4speed on eden raceway, and commanded man to go fourth and race. I'm actually suspecting that the "notchiness" we feel, is the clutch not fully dissengaging... The engagement point on these cars is also way too high... Not sure whats driving that.
4. The stock shifter!. So ford is trying to fix this issue. The 2015s definitely had the worst design, 2016 is bettr as they updated the pivot cups, and solved some issues. 2018+ is way way better. I drove a 2020 recently and that shifter is unbelievably good. Not notchy at all, so ford has solved the issues.
5. Clunk and jumpy when moving off- this I've heard is due to the bigger backlash clearances on our diffs... BMWs dont have this issue... BMWs have 4 place decimal clearances on their diffs making them super smooth... BMW diffs are also designed to be non serviceable items and throwaway parts...
Personally Ill gladly take the clunk and jerking, if the trade off is more reliability and serviceability and just learn better pedal control... Again this isnt caused by the MT82... Yet we blame it for everything...
Basically i think if you understand the flaws and tackle those with tge right supporting mods you can make the MT82 into a really great trans. Will it take 1000whp for 10 years. Probably not... But if your car isnt boosted I think it can actually be a great and reliable trans provided you don't trash on it, and you fix the other issues.
The more I've been thinking about the more I'm starting to believe it's not. I think the problem isnt so much in the tranny but the supporting hardware... Now this is all my opinion so feel free to disagree but these are problem areas i see that we need to address.
So I've noticed a couple issues
1. Ford uses a combined reservoir for the brake and clutch hydraulic circuits... It makes sense for someone driving to cars and coffee and to work. But when you start driving like a man, this is a flawed design... Whats happening is as the brakes cook the fluid under hard braking the fluid in the clutch system will also boil, so the clutch won't dissengage as it should so lock out...
2. Ford cheaped out... These trannies are too small, and dont have enough oil capacity. They really need to have a transmission oil cooler... Just like the GT350. Or we can get a transmission air scoop, and maybe design some aftermarket heatsinks to help cool it down.
3. The hydraulic throwout bearing. I get the logic. And advantages of this system, but I'm not convinced that its more efficent than the traditional and simpler clutch fork system... That has been used since god gave adam a 4speed on eden raceway, and commanded man to go fourth and race. I'm actually suspecting that the "notchiness" we feel, is the clutch not fully dissengaging... The engagement point on these cars is also way too high... Not sure whats driving that.
4. The stock shifter!. So ford is trying to fix this issue. The 2015s definitely had the worst design, 2016 is bettr as they updated the pivot cups, and solved some issues. 2018+ is way way better. I drove a 2020 recently and that shifter is unbelievably good. Not notchy at all, so ford has solved the issues.
5. Clunk and jumpy when moving off- this I've heard is due to the bigger backlash clearances on our diffs... BMWs dont have this issue... BMWs have 4 place decimal clearances on their diffs making them super smooth... BMW diffs are also designed to be non serviceable items and throwaway parts...
Personally Ill gladly take the clunk and jerking, if the trade off is more reliability and serviceability and just learn better pedal control... Again this isnt caused by the MT82... Yet we blame it for everything...
Basically i think if you understand the flaws and tackle those with tge right supporting mods you can make the MT82 into a really great trans. Will it take 1000whp for 10 years. Probably not... But if your car isnt boosted I think it can actually be a great and reliable trans provided you don't trash on it, and you fix the other issues.
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