Socialism good or bad?

[Docscurlock]

By the way, if our government is spending twice as much as other nations on healthcare, and has been for decades, is that not socialized medicine?

Yes, in a way it is. Thanks to Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.” most in government think they can do whatever they want with anyone's money. It has been (wrongly in my opinion) interpreted that as long as the money comes from taxes appropriated by Congress any pet project or form of social program is Constitutional.

Sponsored

 

[ugstang17]

I personally believe more people need to read Animal Farm by George Orwell.

 

[whowasthat]

no one ever complains about socialism when farmers or large corporations benefit from it.

everyone loves socialism. we all use it everyday. how many southern states all get subsides because of socialism. the problem is that people are greedy, and hate to see others benefit from something they are not getting. Its truly Christian

 

[Docscurlock]

no one ever complains about socialism when farmers or large corporations benefit from it.

everyone loves socialism. we all use it everyday. how many southern states all get subsides because of socialism. the problem is that people are greedy, and hate to see others benefit from something they are not getting. Its truly Christian

I complain about it.....it's a bunch of bullcrap. Everyone likes to throw that in the face of Christians if they aren't willing to give up all their hard work for people that don't want to work. The areas of this country that donate more of their income per capita are all in the heartland (red counties) and are the same people that despise ideas like socialism. It's all the East and West coast liberals who think its a good idea. Look at how much Bernie donates to charity, he's a millionaire, he has 3 freakin houses, less than 3%, Beto, millionaire, less than 0.5%, Kamala Harris, made 1.9 million, donated 1.4%, Senator Gillibrand under 2%, Senator Warren tops the group at 5%. What a bunch of hypocrites. They don't want to share their wealth, they want to share my wealth! Another point to make, I see you are from Canada, you can talk about your healthcare system all day long, it won't work here. Look at the economy of scale, we have states with more GDP than your entire country. Not bragging, just stating facts why your system won't work here.

 

[whowasthat]

its very christian of you to complain about charity. your magic man wouldn't like that. let me get this straight, Christians dont want to give money to people who dont want to work. BUT, the heartland gives the most. so the heartland loves giving money to people to dont like to work, lol. i wonder if they despise socialism when there house catches fire. maybe they wait till after the fire is put out. I never mentioned heathcare, im not sure where you pulled that from. its funny how you bring up GDP. being the richest country defiantly doesn't make you the happiest. Would you not rather be happy? i have a co-worker who lives in California. he makes double my salary. about 10 months ago, he found out he had stage 4 cancer. he has mortgaged his house twice after his heathcare stopped. hes still working, just to try and leave as little debt to his family as possible. I also got sick (minor to him) a few years ago. i took a leave for 2 months and got better. i got surgery and all i worried about was getting better. when i was sick, i didn't care about money, my car, my house, nothing mattered. it made me realize nothing is as important as health and happiness. it all comes back to greed. The us could have the most amazing healthcare for everyone if you wanted. but you dont want it, because how dare someone else benefit.

 

[Docscurlock]

its very christian of you to complain about charity. your magic man wouldn't like that. let me get this straight, Christians dont want to give money to people who dont want to work. BUT, the heartland gives the most. so the heartland loves giving money to people to dont like to work, lol.

Not sure I would refer to the maker of heaven and earth as a magic man but to each his own. I keep having to kick this issue over and over with you guys from Canada and Australia. Americans are NOT like you guys, we cherish freedom, personal responsibility, when we give to charity we do it on out own without expectation of reward. We will keep our freedom through our belief in GOD, our inherent right to self defense with firearms and local laws and our work ethic and ability to take care of ourselves. We are free citizens of a great country, our original government was set up to be managed at the local level, not through an oversized, bloated, corrupt federal government. Healthcare should be taken care of at the state and local level or through private companies. Your oversized, bloated, corrupt government is the same size as the State of New York. New York could easily manage a health care system for residents of that state. I think Maryland or Massechussets does exactly that. Whats so hard to understand about that?

i wonder if they despise socialism when there house catches fire. maybe they wait till after the fire is put out.

We don't have to rely on socialism for services when our houses catch on fire, we pay local taxes to local government that pays local people to drive a firetruck to our local house. I know all the firemen and medics in our town because they are my neighbors and I work on their dogs and cats. I help pay their salaries through my taxes and put food on their table so when my house catches on fire they will drive over and put it out. I pay insurance on my house every year so they will pay to build me a new one.

I never mentioned heathcare, im not sure where you pulled that from. its funny how you bring up GDP. being the richest country defiantly doesn't make you the happiest. Would you not rather be happy? i have a co-worker who lives in California. he makes double my salary. about 10 months ago, he found out he had stage 4 cancer. he has mortgaged his house twice after his heathcare stopped. hes still working, just to try and leave as little debt to his family as possible. I also got sick (minor to him) a few years ago. i took a leave for 2 months and got better. i got surgery and all i worried about was getting better. when i was sick, i didn't care about money, my car, my house, nothing mattered. it made me realize nothing is as important as health and happiness.

Well, if you read any of the previous posts you would see that most of the socialism talk here centers on healthcare.
Maybe for some of us happiness is being left alone and able to enjoy the proceeds from our labor the way we want to. Give money to who we want for needs that we see instead of a government program run by a bureaucrat who is feathering their own nest.

it all comes back to greed. The us could have the most amazing healthcare for everyone if you wanted. but you dont want it, because how dare someone else benefit.

It does come down to greed, greed of politicians and bureaucrats that want to control us and take our hard earned money. It's greed of people who don't understand what it's like to get up and go to work everyday yet want to be fed, housed, taken care of and entertained. It's the greed of the politicians who use those people to garner more power and wealth for themselves. For example, Bernie Sanders, he has the stones to stand up in front of crowds and go on about taking the wealth of the rich who have too much and give it to those who don't while commuting between his three (rather large) houses. Or Al Gore who rails about us driving an SUV and killing the planet while he lives in an 11 bedroom mansion and takes private jets to climate conferences.

This is my last post in this thread, I'm sick to death of it.

 

[SVO MkII]

Future Mustang in socialist America.

 

[LMS5400]

We don't have to rely on socialism for services when our houses catch on fire, we pay local taxes to local government that pays local people to drive a firetruck to our local house. I know all the firemen and medics in our town because they are my neighbors and I work on their dogs and cats. I help pay their salaries through my taxes and put food on their table so when my house catches on fire they will drive over and put it out. I pay insurance on my house every year so they will pay to build me a new one.

That's a social service tho, but if your house burns in a liberal state, trump will try and take your FEMA money away because he hates you.

This is my last post in this thread, I'm sick to death of it.

You are not. Keep going

 

[SVO MkII]

That's a social service tho, but if your house burns in a liberal state, trump will try and take your FEMA money away because he hates you.

But there's less chance that you'll own a home if you live in a liberal state, because regulations limit supply and high taxes reduce affordability ;)

 

[Grintch]

That's a social service tho, but if your house burns in a liberal state, trump will try and take your FEMA money away because he hates you.

Yes, and that is another argument against socialism. When an idiot, maniac, or someone who doesn't like you (because of race, religion, political affiliations, etc.) is in charge they use the system against you or just deny you access/benefits. And you are screwed because the government is the only source.

Where as in good old capitalism, the free market provides you multiple options.

 

[LMS5400]

But there's less chance that you'll own a home if you live in a liberal state, because regulations limit supply and high taxes reduce affordability ;)

Duh! its liberal, I mean we're all dumb and brain washed in college and all. What do you expect?

 

[SVO MkII]

Duh! its liberal, I mean we're all dumb and brain washed in college and all. What do you expect?

???

 

[JAJ]

Wow - I'd lost track of this thread and then it resurfaced. I stopped reading it before it ended and I missed the last post by @Docscurlock. This line really jumped out at me: "I keep having to kick this issue over and over with you guys from Canada and Australia. Americans are NOT like you guys, we cherish freedom, personal responsibility, when we give to charity we do it on out own without expectation of reward."

I'm a proud Canadian and I enjoy my amazing freedom, I take personal responsibility for my actions and I have decades as a significant donor of time and money to charities that are important to me.

As I said in an earlier post, there's a massive media machine in the USA that tries to "educate" Americans on how miserable Canadians are and how badly our government does things, including healthcare. That messaging is all crap. The messaging wants you to believe that we're more miserable than Americans are, and it's simply not true. I won't say we're happier, but I know enough Americans that I can be absolutely certain that we're not sadder.

 

[LMS5400]

Wow - I'd lost track of this thread and then it resurfaced. I stopped reading it before it ended and I missed the last post by @Docscurlock. This line really jumped out at me: "I keep having to kick this issue over and over with you guys from Canada and Australia. Americans are NOT like you guys, we cherish freedom, personal responsibility, when we give to charity we do it on out own without expectation of reward."

I'm a proud Canadian and I enjoy my amazing freedom, I take personal responsibility for my actions and I have decades as a significant donor of time and money to charities that are important to me.

As I said in an earlier post, there's a massive media machine in the USA that tries to "educate" Americans on how miserable Canadians are and how badly our government does things, including healthcare. That messaging is all crap. The messaging wants you to believe that we're more miserable than Americans are, and it's simply not true. I won't say we're happier, but I know enough Americans that I can be absolutely certain that we're not sadder.

Pride has a habit of clouding judgement. Just be compassionate for these types of Americans. They are a proud bunch. It's not easy giving 50% of your tax dollars to the military every year. The cost of freedom right?

 

[JAJ]

Pride has a habit of clouding judgement. Just be compassionate for these types of Americans. They are a proud bunch. It's not easy giving 50% of your tax dollars to the military every year. The cost of freedom right?

They are a proud bunch, but then there are no shortage of things to be proud of in America. Where the dialog has moved though, over the last 30 years, is away from things to be proud of and toward things to be angry about or afraid of. It's created a polar climate where open discussion and a fair exchange of ideas has a hard time operating.

Sponsored