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For 2020 the GT350 will use the GT500 block and will have great block strength - assuming you are looking to apply boost.
I don't think the block strength is typically an issue for GT350s. Normal failure mode is in other components from what I've seen.
Whether it's stronger than the direct injection version of the Coyote 5.0 - I don't know. I tend to assume so, being that it has to withstand higher power and RPM, but I don't know.
I don't think the block strength is typically an issue for GT350s. Normal failure mode is in other components from what I've seen.
Whether it's stronger than the direct injection version of the Coyote 5.0 - I don't know. I tend to assume so, being that it has to withstand higher power and RPM, but I don't know.
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5.2 block has 8lbs of materials removed from the block. It's lighter and meant for NA power. If you're sleeving, it shouldn't matter too much. Without sleeves, the 5.0 block is a better option for boost.
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makes more sense to bin the 5.2 and just build up a 5.0 based engine, then. Could use the GT350 heads, I suppose, they are pretty nifty, but I haven't yet seen if the cams work with a cross plane firing order, or even if it differs.
years to sort this out.
makes more sense to bin the 5.2 and just build up a 5.0 based engine, then. Could use the GT350 heads, I suppose, they are pretty nifty, but I haven't yet seen if the cams work with a cross plane firing order, or even if it differs.
years to sort this out.
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Got the answer you wanted, I see.
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I dont think anyone can really answer that question. The stock bores just haven't been pushed that hard. I will say i haven't heard of any boosted GT350s or 2018 5.0s cracking cylinders. Not sure if thats because of the plasma spray bores or if its added material to the block.
I saw a video about some 2000hp+ GTR still running stock block with no sleeves. He said they started sleeving blocks before they even tested them and had nothing but problems. Stayed with stock plasma spray bores and no more problems. Apples and oranges, but its somethin.
I saw a video about some 2000hp+ GTR still running stock block with no sleeves. He said they started sleeving blocks before they even tested them and had nothing but problems. Stayed with stock plasma spray bores and no more problems. Apples and oranges, but its somethin.
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Well - starting from the question - you haven't even said what your plans are. I think I gave you a great answer but you were nothing but rude. Based on what you said I don't think you wanted a discussion - which is the best people here are going to be able to do. I doubt a Ford engineer is allowed to come on here and tell us all the details about the differences between the 5.0 and 5.2 blocks.
However, the 5.2 makes more power and it revs to a higher RPM and so the obvious conclusion is that it will be at least somewhat stronger.
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Voodoo Cams won’t work with the CP crank.
You need the Ford racing cams with the CP firing order .
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I was really meaning strength beyond what has been achieved before with 5.0s. There are gen 2 and 3 coyotes that have made those numbers and more on stock bores. I was talking about numbers in the 1300whp ish and up range which would be clearly beyond the average. Not saying a stock coyote or voodoo couldn't achieve that but from past experience most wont try to push them that hard.
I didnt read all of that thread but the initial cause of that failure is speculation. Even some bone stock motors have failed. At only 600whp it seems plausible something else could have been the cause. When the coyote cylinder cracking was first being seen people were pushing 1000whp ish and tearing down motors with everything else looking fine.
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Well - starting from the question - you haven't even said what your plans are. I think I gave you a great answer but you were nothing but rude. Based on what you said I don't think you wanted a discussion - which is the best people here are going to be able to do. I doubt a Ford engineer is allowed to come on here and tell us all the details about the differences between the 5.0 and 5.2 blocks.
However, the 5.2 makes more power and it revs to a higher RPM and so the obvious conclusion is that it will be at least somewhat stronger.
when was I rude? What does it matter what my plans are, obviously pushing a block to the limits of failure via forced induction or other means.
Are you a young person or something? How do you deal with real life?
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