Agree! Competition is a good thing!! Personally I like all 3 but only love the s550!!!
I love it too. It's a great car.
The same old camaro lover bullshit. Mustang is the resound there has been a camaro twice. camaro has almost always had the performance edge on Mustang but it's Mustang not any other pony that has been in continues production for 55 years. 305hp camaro died in 2002 killed by a 260hp GT and its going to die again Why because Mustang makes a personal connection with people that no other car has and maximum performance doesn't mean much to 99% of those buying pony cars.
The reason why the Mustang stuck around when the Camaro didn't is because every 16 year old girl had a v6 new edge mustang, that's it. Chevy closed those plants down to retool them and make more useless SUVs. That 260hp gt was an embarrassment, and if took Ford 2 years after the F body was gone to come out with a Mustang that finally had more power and handled better. And personal connection? Lol ok buddy. I love my Mustang, but if I could fit into a 1LE with a helmet on, that's what would be in my garage.
On that token, it took the Camaro 2 years after it was reintroduced, to have a faster model than the Terminator that came out over a decade before it. Even then, they still didn't have anything as fast as the GT500. The Camaro currently has a great platform (borrowed from Cadillac), but the exterior and interior are sorely lacking. That's the reason it's had trouble with sales. The vast majority of buyers are concerned with looks. That's why the Challenger is still around and selling well on an ancient platform and relatively no major design changes in... well.. a loooong time. If the Camaro is to ever sell well again, it is going to have to have a major refresh, like the S197 -> S550. I'm not sure that's going to happen in time. GM isn't bashful about discontinuing cars that don't sell.
You are aware the ZL1 is 0.3 faster 0-60 and 3/10 faster in the 1320?
The...the Cobra R...all of 300 which were made and sold....with it's no AC, or creature comforts, at $60,000 was faster than a $21,000 Z28. Ford didnt have an answer to the fucking 1993 LT1 until the Coyote came out in 2011. Don't fool yourself. And as far as the 14 GT500 vs the 13 ZL1, the ZL1 killed it on track with almost 100hp less. Quarter mile was not even far apart. Don't even get me started on the current gen 1LE vs the stuff Ford peddles us these days. The GT350s that couldn't handle track days. You've got to be kidding me. GM has one of the most successful LeMans teams in recent years, and it shows with their street offerings. Fords performance has been a joke for years, and if it wasn't for the Camaro, like I said before, we would still have that anaemic 5.0 from the 80s. I love my mustang, but sales numbers mean nothing to me. If I tracked this car more than 2 or 3 times a year, I would definitely be in a 1LE. I used my 16 year old girl heart and bought what I liked better, not what offers better performance, but nobody here can deny that the Camaro, when compared to its respective Mustang rival in its line up, is in a different class of performance.In my time starting with the mustang in the 80s,the MUSTANG pissed all over the Scrapmaro.The 87 mustang kicked the iroc z all in the ass!!When the new Crapmaro came out in 93,or 94 ,they were faster than the Mustang.The 2000 COBRA R wiped its ass with the Crapmaro,then it was all downhill for the shitty chevy!!The 03,04 COBRA came out and changed the game.By then the Crapmaro was killed off,why because people didnt want the shitty chevy because of it being a General Malfunction.The 07 GT500,came out and from 07-14,the GT500 were the KING!!the little 580hp zl1 was nothing compared to the 14 GT500.Garbage Motors came out with the over priced z28,and al.o from the Gigantic Mistake said FORD didnt have an answer to that car.Well,the GT350 R came out and kicked its ass!!FORD has been pissing on Garbage Motors for years!!By the looks of it,the Crapmaro is not selling well again.The car looking like shit and not being special might be killed off again.The dam tugboat challenger out sells the shitty chevy now.
Yes. The limited production, hand built car, with no creature comforts, costing 3x times more than a Camaro or Firebird v8, that Ford built only 300 of because they had to stop production of the regular cobras because they were making 20% less power than advertised, is not the representative of the Mustangs performance metric of the day. The R also ran the quarter in high 12s, which is on par with the ls1 f bodies. Get real. Chevy didn't have to make a Camaro thi compete with the R, because for less money than an R, people could have just bought the Z06 and mopped the floor with the R in every single performance metric.So now you want to cry about the number of COBRA Rs that there were at the time.
93 to 02. Yes they were. 02 z28s were faster than 03 to 10 GTs.
Not on every track, but on more than half. With more weight and less power.
Yes, you had to spend another 7500 on top of the 60k to still get beat by a $43,000 1LE.
You missed the point here, but ok.
You really believe that Ford invented the 2+2 coupe? Got it.
Except Ford never had anything to compete with the Corvette. And Ford didn't even build the GT40, it was a Lola developed car. And who do you think Ford copied and stuck the engine mid ship on the GT? You can't be this dense.
Yes, they went bankrupt because it was run by idiots. Ford took the bail out money before the other manufacturers did. Look it up. Nothing you say will change the fact that the Camaro is the better performance car.