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Ford will offer a third engine (more powerful 2.3L EcoBoost) to 2020 Mustang lineup

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Regarding the 435HP for the 5.0, I wonder if this signals a return to the Gen2 (‘15-‘17) Coyote (not to derail the thread into more tick discussions).
Yeah, there is no shot that is happening. The 435 number is probably a typo.
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If that spec sheet is right and there are 2 variations of the GT and 2 variations of the ecoboost, I don't see how a V6 would fit in there. I also can't see them ditching the 5.0 for the 5.2. The 5.0 is too symbolic of this company. But time will tell.
Oh yeah, I was just thinking out loud from the angle of product positioning, existing components/supply-chain/EOS, etc., it may not make as much sense if you plug it into what appears to be Ford's roadmap. I totally hear you on the 5.0 vs. 5.2L in terms of marketing, seeing a 5.2L badge on the side would be ... odd. Though I guess there was a period of 4.6L badges, where it was BIG GT, little tiny 4.6 They could go back to that:

Mustang GT
== 5.2L V8 ==

:D


Here’s what I think:

The current 2.3T will fall to the “base” EB S550.

The “new” 2.3T will only be available to the “Performance Pack” EB’s.

Taking bets....
I like the idea of a power bump with the Perf Packages, I mentioned back when, the PP2 + Bullitt HP + a few coolers would've been f***ing incredble.
 

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Here's what they need to do:

Keep the one 2.3L turbo, maybe tweak it a touch 320-330HP (but not for an additional cost to the consumer)

Then, start using the Bullitt spec package in all GTs @ 480HP - or - possibly start using the 5.2 in a CPC config, maybe with the GT350 intake/TB setup, and you're looking at 490+ HP GT

For the 3rd option, easy, the new 3.0L V6 TT Ecoboost going in the 2020 Explorer. Tuned to somewhere between the Sport's 365HP and the ST spec's 400HP.

They could have a lineup that looked like, 2.3L @ 310-315, 3.0L @ 375-385, 5.0L @ 475-480 (and then possibly a 5.2L @ 500-510HP). Then bias the content a touch, so the V6TT and V8GT "base" models get a few more bells and whistles, and the 2.3L base is really a super stripped, entry level, but still performance capable Mustang (and there's decent package + performance differences at the various price tiers).
I like your ideas, but if they do a 5.2 it should make at least 550 HP. Ideally they would go to more cubes than 5.2 or forced induction in a smaller V8, but 5.2 would be ok temporarily. IMO it has to make more power than the Voodoo though. It's been long enough that there should be a HP increase. Unless the car gets smaller and lighter it needs more power to improve.
 

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Not if the GT was 480-510HP, note my bump in HP suggestions for the "regular' GT. 375 V6 Eco vs. a 495HP GT? That's a notable difference, especially if the GT had a few unique-to-the-model options (better PP1, a fully implemented PP2 or PP3, maybe a change to the TR6060).
He may have been talking about how easy it is to get huge power increases from factory FI engines. Would not be good if the turbo V6 matched or outran the V8 for much less than the MSRP differences.
 

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Here's what they need to do:

Keep the one 2.3L turbo, maybe tweak it a touch 320-330HP (but not for an additional cost to the consumer)

Then, start using the Bullitt spec package in all GTs @ 480HP - or - possibly start using the 5.2 in a CPC config, maybe with the GT350 intake/TB setup, and you're looking at 490+ HP GT

For the 3rd option, easy, the new 3.0L V6 TT Ecoboost going in the 2020 Explorer. Tuned to somewhere between the Sport's 365HP and the ST spec's 400HP.

They could have a lineup that looked like, 2.3L @ 310-315, 3.0L @ 375-385, 5.0L @ 475-480 (and then possibly a 5.2L @ 500-510HP). Then bias the content a touch, so the V6TT and V8GT "base" models get a few more bells and whistles, and the 2.3L base is really a super stripped, entry level, but still performance capable Mustang (and there's decent package + performance differences at the various price tiers).

Yes, ignoring dull reality, I like your ideas. This would be pretty much my ideal line-up.

330hp Ecoboost 2.3 4 cylinder
400hp 3.0 V6 Ecoboost
480hp 5.0 V8 GT (from stripper spec to fully loaded)
525hp 5.2 cpc Mach 1 (fully loaded, PP2, 10-speed auto option)
750hp 5.2 cpc supercharged GT500

Just so long as I don't need to write the business case for all of these :giggle:
 

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Here's what they need to do:

Keep the one 2.3L turbo, maybe tweak it a touch 320-330HP (but not for an additional cost to the consumer)

Then, start using the Bullitt spec package in all GTs @ 480HP - or - possibly start using the 5.2 in a CPC config, maybe with the GT350 intake/TB setup, and you're looking at 490+ HP GT

For the 3rd option, easy, the new 3.0L V6 TT Ecoboost going in the 2020 Explorer. Tuned to somewhere between the Sport's 365HP and the ST spec's 400HP.

They could have a lineup that looked like, 2.3L @ 310-315, 3.0L @ 375-385, 5.0L @ 475-480 (and then possibly a 5.2L @ 500-510HP). Then bias the content a touch, so the V6TT and V8GT "base" models get a few more bells and whistles, and the 2.3L base is really a super stripped, entry level, but still performance capable Mustang (and there's decent package + performance differences at the various price tiers).
This actually raises a question on where the 5.0l will go in terms of upgrading. The Bullitt is supposed to be unique, so tossing its spec'd engine in any GT the year after might not be good publicity. Also, in my limited research, it seems the 18/19 manifold is better for the application than the gt350 mani. But using the gt350 mani was done to add the larger TB without having to make an adapter or change anything. So working around the gen 3 mani may be better.

If I had to guess, the GT will probably hold onto the gen 3 coyote, without changes, until the new "complex" (ie, hybrid) 5.0 comes out. It just makes more sense, to me, to iron out the issues with the current 5.0 so it's primed and ready for this electric motor. If or when it happens.

I can't help but shake the little bit of inferiority complex building up at being smoked by a hybrid GT, as I plan to keep my 19 for a while. It's like when I buy a new graphics card and see something better released a year later. Sometimes it's minimal, sometimes the jump is huge. Hmm, I need cheaper hobbies.
 

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This is why I gave up on the HP wars. Too much money and always an upgrade next year. I prefer being able to wind through the hills anyway.
 

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I thought the v6 ecoboost was 2.7 liters... @ capable of v8 torque down low.


So:
2.3l 4-cyl ecoboost.
(2.7l 6-cyl ecoboost.)
5.0l 8-cyl.
5.2l 8-cyl.
5.2l 8-cyl supercharged.
 

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I seriously doubt they are reverting to the Gen2 Coyote. More likely this is a preliminary document, and wrong, or it's one of those documents where it's easier to add things than remove them, hence just leaving old data on there that is no longer applicable. Along that line of thought, it is entirely possible that there will be only be one new, upgraded Ecoboost, and the current Ecoboost will be dropped. They just kept it on the list because it's easier than taking it off the list.
 

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Seems unlikely to me that specs for RHD Mustang would be in a US regulatory filing. (Also, I thought the UK Mustang was spec’ed at 444 HP - not 435 like the Gen2 Coyote.)

As for why they could bring back the old engine, I might refer you to the wave of threads discussing the tick (whether the issue is overblown or not).
FORD released a statement saying this 'tick' is normal for all V8 Mustang produced from 2011-2018 so going back to the Gen 2 would do absolutely nothing accept slow the car down
 

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FORD released a statement saying this 'tick' is normal for all V8 Mustang produced from 2011-2018 so going back to the Gen 2 would do absolutely nothing accept slow the car down
That's just a noise. While I'm in agreement that they're probably not going back to gen 2, there are somethings that could prompt such a thought. Maybe they can't get the PTWA mass production process to work, for example, or the DI is too hard to manage, or the 12:1 compression is proving to be too much on a car also spec'd for 87 octane.

Hell, maybe they're bringing back the gen 2 solely for the hybrid because it's, hypothetically speaking, considered the more reliable platform.

Most likely it's just out of date, as has been said.
 

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Something doesn't make sense here... the page shows Feb 8th, 2019 and the example VIN shows "K" for the year which is 2019 but under the example the 2019 "K" code 5.0 is only rated at 435 net??? I thought the 2018-2019 5.0's were 460hp net???

Edit: never mind, just noticed that someone already brought this up...
 
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Expect the factory GT500 tune to support mild pulley down, but will log it to avoid warranty coverage (reasonable for those ready to pay to play).
Expect E85 aftermarket tunes to yield 945-1020 on stock hardware with decreased durability.
 
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I think it's a good ideal I've been saying for a long time Ford should offer a version of the Focus RS engine in the Mustang. I agree a SVO package would be great.
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