July 2017 Mustang Sales

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How can a 2008 Mustang GT have a "base price" of $29,000 when the Premium GT had a MSRP of $27,420? $27,420 is equal to $31,004.96 today. A base GT now (cloth interior, base radio, etc) is 35,000.

Again, I'm not saying the technology isn't worth the price..what I *am* saying is it's not as accessible or affordable as it once was while wages have remained stagnant.

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[bootlegger]

How can a 2008 Mustang GT have a "base price" of $29,000 when the Premium GT had a MSRP of $27,420? $27,420 is equal to $31,004.96 today. A base GT now (cloth interior, base radio, etc) is 35,000.

Again, I'm not saying the technology isn't worth the price..what I *am* saying is it's not as accessible or affordable as it once was while wages have remained stagnant.

I looked back into my 08 GT pics, and it appears I had a Premium. I was off on my numbers, as my Mustang seemed basic. Premium base on C&D is listed as $28005, and I know I paid around $29k for mine. It didn't seem very loaded either. It isn't as affordable today, as it isn't as stripped down. The 08 premium had cheap leather seats, all season tires, crappy sound system (even with the shaker 500), and no real comfort extras. I think this is probably the biggest difference in pricing. Comparing the new Premium GT to that of the mid 2000s is night and day. A more realistic comparison would probably be the Ecoboost vs 2008 GT. What Ford did is eliminate the bottom barrel versions and then gave us old V8 performance with a new 4cyl turbo.

 

[Sl13cobra]

Then when they see the 2018 prices, the dealers will be slapping ADM on the leftover 2017s.

:lol::lol:

 

[Sl13cobra]

"Just wait until the 2018 Mustang comes out and it stops selling because of the price increase heueuhhuehuehehu"

And package stupidity

 

[Sl13cobra]

Agreed that if you don't have an S550 already, and happen to like the front-end, it is worth the wait as long as you can stomach the price increases. I've said a couple times that while I don't hate the front-end anymore like I did initially, I still feel it went backwards overall aesthetically from the 15-17.

What he said.

I was waiting to see what the refresh looked like, as the performance enhancements seemed attractive.

As soon as the refresh hit, I bought a 2017.

:frusty::headbonk:

 

[JohnZiraldo]

Rental Companies only order 45,000 2door, rear drive sport coupes a year. The S550 fulfills around 35,000 of those orders. The 15,000 other orders are Challnger and Camaro. This is down from 60,000 cars in the 2011-'13 era. Overall, Fleet sales of the Mustang has been slightly reduced from 2013. Previously, 20-25% of S197 production was Fleet/Rental but at a lower transaction cost per unit. It appears the Mustang has a monopoly on rental car sales. If Chevy could get that contract from Ford, trust me, to keep Lansing open, they would.

I may be talking through my hat here but I suspect that a large portion of the rear drive sports coupes in rental fleets would be convertibles. That leaves out the Challenger with no convertible option and the Camaro with little trunk space for luggage with the roof down. The visibility issues with the Camaro would also likely be a factor in fleet buying decisions. Ford should be in a very favorable negotiating position with Mustang prices for fleets.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

Here are the Sales for Europe (Delayed by one month)
Camaro is finally catching on a bit but is getting killed by the Mustang. I wonder if C6 will try to spin these as fleet sales (they absolutely are not I've yet to see a rental mustang in Germany)

Here are the comparisons for Canada, China, Europe

Canada (Source GoodCarBadCar.net)

Camaro June 396 YTD 1765
Challenger June 444 YTD 2269
Mustang June 1268 YTD 5299

China (Source Carsalesbase.com)

Camaro June 0 YTD 0
Challenger June 0 YTD 0
Mustang June 454 YTD 2070

Europe (Source Carsalesbase.com)

Camaro June 263 YTD 883
Challenger June 0 YTD 0 *All Challenger sales in Europe are grey market.
Mustang June 1163 YTD 8051

Mustang is definitely kicking ass big time outside of the US.

 

[68fbjjz109]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-considers-competitive-price-points-camaro/

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

Here are the comparisons for Canada, China, Europe

Canada (Source GoodCarBadCar.net)

Camaro June 396 YTD 1765
Challenger June 444 YTD 2269
Mustang June 1268 YTD 5299

China (Source Carsalesbase.com)

Camaro June 0 YTD 0
Challenger June 0 YTD 0
Mustang June 454 YTD 2070

Europe (Source Carsalesbase.com)

Camaro June 263 YTD 883
Challenger June 0 YTD 0 *All Challenger sales in Europe are grey market.
Mustang June 1163 YTD 8051

Mustang is definitely kicking ass big time outside of the US.

but those are mostly fleet sales

 

[TomcatDriver]

I looked back into my 08 GT pics, and it appears I had a Premium. I was off on my numbers, as my Mustang seemed basic. Premium base on C&D is listed as $28005, and I know I paid around $29k for mine. It didn't seem very loaded either. It isn't as affordable today, as it isn't as stripped down. The 08 premium had cheap leather seats, all season tires, crappy sound system (even with the shaker 500), and no real comfort extras. I think this is probably the biggest difference in pricing. Comparing the new Premium GT to that of the mid 2000s is night and day. A more realistic comparison would probably be the Ecoboost vs 2008 GT. What Ford did is eliminate the bottom barrel versions and then gave us old V8 performance with a new 4cyl turbo.

Not buying it. Those creature comfort standard features, particularly the electronics, really don't cost very much. You see all that stuff in entry level vehicles like the Elantra or even the Focus. Yes, the 2018 is a better car than a 2008, but the price increases have far outpaced inflation. Inflation in 2017 is about 1.6%, the 2017-2018 price increase is 5.5 to 7.5%, and for some packages (Perf Pack) it's a whopping 33%.

The average price of a new car in 2008 was around $28,000. The average price of a new car in 2017 is around $33,500 - about a 19% increase.

A GT Premium in 2008 was $27,400, in 2018 $39,095 an $11695 about 42% increase.

Yea, a 2018 is better and has more features, but that's true of all cars. Mustangs have increased price at almost double the rate of cars on average.

 

[bootlegger]

Not buying it. Those creature comfort standard features, particularly the electronics, really don't cost very much. You see all that stuff in entry level vehicles like the Elantra or even the Focus. Yes, the 2018 is a better car than a 2008, but the price increases have far outpaced inflation. Inflation in 2017 is about 1.6%, the 2017-2018 price increase is 5.5 to 7.5%, and for some packages (Perf Pack) it's a whopping 33%.

The average price of a new car in 2008 was around $28,000. The average price of a new car in 2017 is around $33,500 - about a 19% increase.

A GT Premium in 2008 was $27,400, in 2018 $39,095 an $11695 about 42% increase.

Yea, a 2018 is better and has more features, but that's true of all cars. Mustangs have increased price at almost double the rate of cars on average.

Not all cars increased HP by 50%. Not all cars added an extra fuel system.

 

[thehunterooo]

but those are mostly fleet sales

Someone who gets it! Fleet sales don't count!!!!111

 

[TomcatDriver]

Not all cars increased HP by 50%. Not all cars added an extra fuel system.

A lot have, and I'm not just talking about the 2017 to 2018 increase. Basic cars like the Camry have increased from 155 to 203HP. Not quite 50%, but a substantial increase particularly for a non-performance car. That being said, I'm really talking about how people are justifying the price increases based in the inclusion of features which are increasingly standard on all vehicles. It's kind of like fingerprint readers on cell phones today. Yea, two years ago it was a feature reserved for "flagship" models, but today every cheap sub $200 cell phone comes with a fingerprint reader.

 

[bootlegger]

A lot have, and I'm not just talking about the 2017 to 2018 increase. Basic cars like the Camry have increased from 155 to 203HP. Not quite 50%, but a substantial increase particularly for a non-performance car. That being said, I'm really talking about how people are justifying the price increases based in the inclusion of features which are increasingly standard on all vehicles. It's kind of like fingerprint readers on cell phones today. Yea, two years ago it was a feature reserved for "flagship" models, but today every cheap sub $200 cell phone comes with a fingerprint reader.

Automotive tech improvements are nothing like that of a cell phone.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-considers-competitive-price-points-camaro/

What a striking difference between the roof line of the ZL1 and the NASCAR ZL1. Doesn't look too bad though.

I would love to see Jimmie Johnson try to enter through the window of the standard ZL1 with full racing gear on.

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