PMAS Power Results Thread

[DarkHorse850]

So is it better to use the stock MAF or the one that came with the intake.?

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[dev1360]

They both work the same. Stock MAF will need tuned, PMAS MAF needs nothing.

 

[DarkHorse850]

They both work the same. Stock MAF will need tuned, PMAS MAF needs nothing.

Gotcha. Thanks.!

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Thanks for doing all the leg work and sharing results. Here are my week old results from my Steeda CAI and 93 tune for comparison since others have asked about different brands.

I have a Steeda CAI, 170* thermostat, Mach Thunder catback and a custom 93 dyno tune last week. My car baselined at 395/377 on the factory tune with those mods in the previous sentence and on 93 Shell. This was in 86 degree weather and over 90%+ humidity at 11am. SAE corrected dyno jet numbers.

After the Injected Engineering custom 93 tune, I put down 415RWHP/386RWTQ SAE. I am heading back next week to get my Flexfuel tune dialed in. I should be 425/395+ on e85.

Here is my dyno graph of my last run.

 

[mustang_guy]

Thanks for doing all the leg work and sharing results. Here are my week old results from my Steeda CAI and 93 tune for comparison since others have asked about different brands.

I have a Steeda CAI, 170* thermostat, Mach Thunder catback and a custom 93 dyno tune last week. My car baselined at 395/377 on the factory tune with those mods in the previous sentence and on 93 Shell. This was in 86 degree weather and over 90%+ humidity at 11am. SAE corrected dyno jet numbers.

After the Injected Engineering custom 93 tune, I put down 415RWHP/386RWTQ SAE. I am heading back next week to get my Flexfuel tune dialed in. I should be 425/395+ on e85.

Here is my dyno graph of my last run.

But those wanting a comparison need the car tuned by the same people and be on the same dyno with the same mods. Even with correction it isnt apples to apples. Unfortunately all dynos dont read very closely to each other. Too many variables to compare remotely accurately. Youre going to like e85.

 

[dev1360]

It's hard to compare between different dynos since they all read a little differently. Before and after on the same dyno, regardless of total numbers, is the best case. Might also want to have them set the smoothing a little higher than 0. That smooths the line and removes the spikes of high numbers.

A car with a Lund FF tune on E85, and Kooks catted LTs made 425/380 a couple days later on this same dyno.

 

[Desolate]

I moved the maf pipe as far as I could into the closed section and rotated the maf to the bottom position. This has made a huge impact on maf readings and suggest everyone with this intake or similar orientation do the same. I see iat's of 4-6 degrees above ambient in 90+ degree heat in a matter of minutes of driving.

 

[Terminator2]

It's hard to compare between different dynos since they all read a little differently. Before and after on the same dyno, regardless of total numbers, is the best case. Might also want to have them set the smoothing a little higher than 0. That smooths the line and removes the spikes of high numbers.

A car with a Lund FF tune on E85, and Kooks catted LTs made 425/380 a couple days later on this same dyno.

Was he stock intake? Just curious. E-85 isn't worth it on these cars unless forced induction. I know AED only gained about 10 whp going from crappy Cali 91 octane to E-85.

 

[dev1360]

He was on stock intake. Actually, he ordered a PMAS lol.

And E85 isn't worth much up top NA. We only got another 2* of timing at peak. The gains were down low where we were able to get another 6-7* of timing in it, which was great for overall feel, and perceived power during normal driving.

 

[daltron]

Was he stock intake? Just curious. E-85 isn't worth it on these cars unless forced induction. I know AED only gained about 10 whp going from crappy Cali 91 octane to E-85.

I disagree. I don't have dyno numbers, but I can definitely feel a big difference between 91 and E85.

 

[mustang_guy]

Was he stock intake? Just curious. E-85 isn't worth it on these cars unless forced induction. I know AED only gained about 10 whp going from crappy Cali 91 octane to E-85.

And shaun doesnt generally set records with customers cars hes tuned either. From what ive seen from him he tunes more on the conservative side.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

But those wanting a comparison need the car tuned by the same people and be on the same dyno with the same mods. Even with correction it isnt apples to apples. Unfortunately all dynos dont read very closely to each other. Too many variables to compare remotely accurately. Youre going to like e85.

Very true and I agree. I wanted to share, regardless

We are having a dyno day this weekend where my car was tuned starting at 9am Saturday morning. There are going to be some Lund tuned cars with the same mods as me running 93 and E85 plus a Brenspeed tuned car with the same mods on 93 octane. I am curious to see how their numbers compare to mine.

I will be back next week to get my E85 tune dialed in and will report back my differences between the 93 and E85. I am excited to get that dialed in as I have heard good things even at my power levels, it should be a noticeable difference.

It's hard to compare between different dynos since they all read a little differently. Before and after on the same dyno, regardless of total numbers, is the best case. Might also want to have them set the smoothing a little higher than 0. That smooths the line and removes the spikes of high numbers.

A car with a Lund FF tune on E85, and Kooks catted LTs made 425/380 a couple days later on this same dyno.

I agree on comparing dynos, futile at best. This was the only sheet I could grab but they did do the smoothing on the other dyno graphs.

 

[Terminator2]

I disagree. I don't have dyno numbers, but I can definitely feel a big difference between 91 and E85.

Can get within 1-2* of MBT timing for this engine on 93 octane and beyond that it won't make more torque (hp). Butt dynos aside the 10 different E-85 vs premium dynos I've seen on NA Coyotes have not impressed me at all. It makes a huge difference on boosted cars though. I tune a few different platforms but my specialty is GM LNF, LDK, LHU GDI turbo cars and on those E-85 makes a pretty big difference because we cannot get anywhere near MBT timing on 93 on those cars at higher boost levels.

 

[dev1360]

Yes, we were seeing 28* easily on 93. He dialed back to 27* to be safe. On E85 we are getting 30*, we stopped there. It trapped 116 in 1500' DA, fI'll weight, so the power is there.

 

[Terminator2]

Yes, we were seeing 28* easily on 93. He dialed back to 27* to be safe. On E85 we are getting 30*, we stopped there. It trapped 116 in 1500' DA, fI'll weight, so the power is there.

Yep and MBT is around 29-30* max at wide open throttle. I'm on 93 and running 29* up top but mostly 27-28*. 29* is peak at 7000 and I shift right at 7000.

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