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Hey Ford, give us loyal fans what we really want and deserve...one last oil-burning Mach1. Name the new thing "Warp1" and let's move on.
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The closest we can get to a Mach 1 today is the 2019 California Special.... comparing to a 1969.... Side Scoops, Black chin spoiler (PP1 chin spoiler is used), Tribar Pony Badge more toward drivers side on grille. Only thing missing is grille fog lights, but if now comparing to a 03/04 Mach 1, it has everything except for the Shaker System or Ram Air scoops like the classic Mach 1s. Do S550 Shaker systems even exist yet?
 

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The closest we can get to a Mach 1 today is the 2019 California Special.... comparing to a 1969.... Side Scoops, Black chin spoiler (PP1 chin spoiler is used), Tribar Pony Badge more toward drivers side on grille. Only thing missing is grille fog lights, but if now comparing to a 03/04 Mach 1, it has everything except for the Shaker System or Ram Air scoops like the classic Mach 1s. Do S550 Shaker systems even exist yet?
They did through 2018, I had the Shaker 1000 in my s197 and the shaker pro in my 2018. the 2019 now has harmen kardon B&O system
 

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but if now comparing to a 03/04 Mach 1, it has everything except for the Shaker System or Ram Air scoops like the classic Mach 1s.
Not quite.

The 03/04 Mach 1 used a very different engine that the GT of the time. GT was a 2 valve, the Mach 1 was a 4 valve. The 4 valve was effectively a n/a version of the Cobra motor. Translate that today, and I'd expect a modern Mach 1 to have a n/a 5.2 version of the (to be revealed) '20MY GT500 engine.

The Mach 1 also had revised suspension and brakes.

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Yeah I was going appearances wise. But yes 03/04 had cobra engine minus the supercharger.
 

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Umm...not that Shaker...

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That Shaker...
Ohhh, duh. I guess him saying "shaker system OR ram air scoop threw me off, I thought he was talking about 2 different things
 

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Not quite.

The 03/04 Mach 1 used a very different engine that the GT of the time. GT was a 2 valve, the Mach 1 was a 4 valve. The 4 valve was effectively a n/a version of the Cobra motor. Translate that today, and I'd expect a modern Mach 1 to have a n/a 5.2 version of the (to be revealed) '20MY GT500 engine.

The Mach 1 also had revised suspension and brakes.

:)
Well the 99-04 Cobra, Bullitt and Mach1 all had the same brakes.
 

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Ohhh, duh. I guess him saying "shaker system OR ram air scoop threw me off, I thought he was talking about 2 different things

Yeah, was going by 60s and 03/04 Shaker scoop and 71-73 had ram air hood, etc. and regular mustang now lacks those both.

The S550 has literally a Cobra suspension vs the Mach 1 :p I mean IRS
 

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Ohhh, duh. I guess him saying "shaker system OR ram air scoop threw me off, I thought he was talking about 2 different things
Considering that the audio systems at the time were named Mach or Shaker it got a little weird.
 

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Not quite.

The 03/04 Mach 1 used a very different engine that the GT of the time. GT was a 2 valve, the Mach 1 was a 4 valve. The 4 valve was effectively a n/a version of the Cobra motor.

:)
The Mach engine was very different from the GT or the Cobra, considering the Cobra engine was a cast iron weight that they had to overcome in the suspension department.
 

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The Mach engine was very different from the GT or the Cobra, considering the Cobra engine was a cast iron weight that they had to overcome in the suspension department.
Was the Mach 1 closer in relation to the 99-02 cobra motor? at 305 hp while the cobra NA had been 320 during those years. I thought of getting a used Mach 1, since it was a car I always wanted and some have replaced the high mileage mach 1 original engines with a 01 cobra short block, is that pretty much the same engine again? or something different?
 

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Was the Mach 1 closer in relation to the 99-02 cobra motor? at 305 hp while the cobra NA had been 320 during those years. I thought of getting a used Mach 1, since it was a car I always wanted and some have replaced the high mileage mach 1 original engines with a 01 cobra short block, is that pretty much the same engine again? or something different?
Short answer: Same but Different. Mach 1 had better heads, Cobra had stronger internals in terms of rods (Manley) and pistons. Both had alum blocks but the Mach block was different on a few points. If your seriously interested in the differences there were many detailed discussions about them back in 02/03 that can be fiund on the net.

HP is about the same on both. Ignore Ford’s rating on the Mach. The Cobra was an SVT product under John Colletti and the Mach 1 was a Team Mustang product (Scott Hoag). Dig around the old Mach 1 forums (if they still exist) for dyno posts back in 2002/2003 — both cars were producing similiar numbers at the time.

Tony Alonzo has a new book coming out based upon extensive interviews with Scott Hoag, it will be interesting to read how much Scott will talk about the internal Ford politics at that time and their influence on the products of each group. The politics was very real and John Colletti was quite the force to try and deal with. The Mach 1 team with some ‘executive’ assistance was able to get an ‘R’ vin code assignment for the Mach 1 engine— thus the “R Code” returned but they had no luck in expanding upon the “R” designation in calling the Mach 1 engine a Cobra Jet—-Colletti wasn't having any if that. They got the “R” but not the full name.
 
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The closest we can get to a Mach 1 today is the 2019 California Special.... comparing to a 1969.... Side Scoops, Black chin spoiler (PP1 chin spoiler is used), Tribar Pony Badge more toward drivers side on grille. Only thing missing is grille fog lights, but if now comparing to a 03/04 Mach 1, it has everything except for the Shaker System or Ram Air scoops like the classic Mach 1s. Do S550 Shaker systems even exist yet?
The '69 Mach1's did not have grille fog lights. They had grille high beams, the low beam was the standard light location. Mach1's didn't necessarily have chin spoilers either. That was added afterwards with the popularity of the Boss cars.
 

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