Guess what? Motortrend favors the Camaro again

GTPower said:

A base Mustang GT automatic is $37,945, a base 1SS automatic is $39,490. And it is easier to find a Mustang with no options on a dealer lot than a Camaro. The price difference is part of the reason Mustang outsells Camaro.

The visibility is not that big of a deal, I've owned both, the Camaro is not dangerous, it is just different, you use your mirrors more, but after a few days you get used to the design.

The Mustang is a better value, and the 10sp is a plus over the GM 8sp. Mine is a daily driver FWIW.

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w3rkn said:

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What is the cost of a v8 automatic Camaro ..?

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GTPower said:

Started in 1967, probably will continue for another 50 years.

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bluebeastsrt said:

If GM don't start selling some Camaro's it wont.

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w3rkn said:

You are both missing the point.

It is not him, or a few others here that find the Camaro horrid and dangerous, it is nationally known throughout the automotive arena. Journalist and even Executives have commented on it (there Camaro's lack of visibility).

Most of the people who were interested in a Camaro and went to check it out, are no longer interested in them due to the lack of visibility and it has hurt it sales (Along with the horrid aesthetics inside). And as such, those who have witnessed the lack of Camaro's visibility first hand, see OTHERS who are driving a Camaro, as making a compromise on their safety for a shot at owning a bargain bin performance car.


And to your point, I have never heard anyone or any auto journalist say they prefer the Camaro's canopy over another car. Have you..? Just the opposite. So lets not play coy, or act like people's criticism is unwarranted.

Face it, people who bought the Camaro, did so because it's visibility didn't bother them all that much... (& the price was just right..)



FWIW, I drove the new Camaro not even a block before I had to turn back, & get out. Instant disgust. The Camaro was not designed by engineers or driving enthusiasts, but by a movie studio.

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4V Mayhem said:

And again, you're missing the point that I'm trying to make. Sales alone tells you nothing. Without knowing the expenses and exactly how much those sales are bringing in, all you're doing is making speculations based off nothing. How hard is that to understand. yet again, if you sell 100 items for $1 each, and someone else sells 50 items for $2 each, then you both made the same money. And even at that, you can't say who is more successful without knowing the expenses and costs. So yet again, sales figures alone mean absolutely nothing. Look at the Challenger. It sell worst than even the Camaro. Yet it is still being produced with no end in sight. That is enough to tell you something unless you wanna just ignore it.

2nd point, regardless of how disgusting or hideous you and the entire automotive world think the Camaro is, it is still a big success and it sells more than enough to justify it's existence and to secure it's continued production. It's design is safe enough that at bare minimu it made it thru production and is deemed safe according to automotive standards and the DMV. And it sells enough and is a hit among the Camaro crowd. From a critic's POV sure you can protest that it is the worst design ever and that GM is failing and will be out of business soon all because of the Camaro. But we both know that outside of that POV it is thriving and many people are buying them up and enjoying them.

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thehunterooo said:

Where were you when MESDIAN was making up false numbers then because Camaro6 believes in them like a religion.

There is no way in hell the Mustang should ever be close to outselling either the Camaro or Challenger regardless of price. Something is not adding up.

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bluebeastsrt said:

Yep. You've hit just about every camaro6 talking point other than saying but....but....the rentals. Sales are so bad GM wont even release them monthly anymore. Spares the Camaro6 crowd the monthly humiliation.

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4V Mayhem said:

So tell me. How did the Challenger survive all these years with worse sales then the Camaro? How is the Camaro still thriving? And since we have all this information, tell me exactly how much GM is losing due to their horrible sales?

Again, sales alone tells you enough to know absolutely nothing. But if you can tell me that you have data that definitively shows that the Mustang is making more money than the Camaro when considering all factors then I'm all ears. Otherwise talking about sales alone is like talking about income without knowing a person's expenses. And not one of you have addressed that. All I hear is sales sales sales. Show me something that actually tells me the whole story.

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millhouse said:

Their Glut of inventory after release gave a deep insight as to exactly what GM expectations were for sales volume. Do you really think GM is "happy" with being dead last in sales (and don't give me the ATP and rental bullshit). They are so happy about getting their asses handed to them in sales that they have been trying to figure out how to offer lower optioned camaro's to make up for their sales deficiencies. The more market a business can control the better.

As for the challenger, the tooling and R&D has long...long...long been paid off for a majority of those chassis. And they are still outselling the camaro on a regular basis.

Come July, camaro once again will be dead last in YTD sales.

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4V Mayhem said:

So tell me. How did the Challenger survive all these years with worse sales then the Camaro? How is the Camaro still thriving? And since we have all this information, tell me exactly how much GM is losing due to their horrible sales?

Again, sales alone tells you enough to know absolutely nothing. But if you can tell me that you have data that definitively shows that the Mustang is making more money than the Camaro when considering all factors then I'm all ears. Otherwise talking about sales alone is like talking about income without knowing a person's expenses. And not one of you have addressed that. All I hear is sales sales sales. Show me something that actually tells me the whole story.

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4V Mayhem said:

So tell me. How did the Challenger survive all these years with worse sales then the Camaro? How is the Camaro still thriving? And since we have all this information, tell me exactly how much GM is losing due to their horrible sales?

Again, sales alone tells you enough to know absolutely nothing. But if you can tell me that you have data that definitively shows that the Mustang is making more money than the Camaro when considering all factors then I'm all ears. Otherwise talking about sales alone is like talking about income without knowing a person's expenses. And not one of you have addressed that. All I hear is sales sales sales. Show me something that actually tells me the whole story.

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