Replaced Voodoo Engine

Pretty sure those OPG have been around a few years.

Also, i’m not a mechanic, but I don’t think the OPG failing is gonna cause a slow death of increasing oil consumption...that’s gonna be more catastrophic and a bam you’re done moment. Some of us are still driving our cars as motors are on the way.

Out of interest, has anybody associated low oil with a low whining at idle (when warm) which increases in pitch when you increase rpm? On that note, is there a catastrophic low level?

crazymayhem said:

Out of interest, has anybody associated low oil with a low whining at idle (when warm) which increases in pitch when you increase rpm? On that note, is there a catastrophic low level?

Click to expand...

If all you were doing was casually driving you could probably lose up to 4 quarts and be fine. With the handling requirements this car has, namely the GT350R has (same pan, same requirements), the sweet spot at the pickup tube is probably quite generous.

As soon as g loading comes into play with low oil, you're boned.

Just curious about opinions from those with manufacturing knowledge on when Ford would start to worry enough to let us know what the reason for failures have been. If around 100 engines have had to be replaced so far (as a guess-timate of a total based on the number in this selective population at M6G so don't hold me to it) out of 20,000 produced that's one in 200. At 1 in 100, 1 in 50? Even though they are apparently doing a good job of replacement as necessary, at some point and I think that even at one in 200 it's time to be a little more open. I know that I would be changing something in my profession if I had a very bad outcome at that rate.

1 in 200?? You think that’s a problem? Let’s make the numbers say something. 1 in 200 is not even 1%. It’s not even 1/2%. It’s .005% of cars on the road. At .005%, you don’t even have a problem. There are not even hoops to jump through yet. If you’re a heart surgeon .005% failure rate may be unacceptable, but if you’re a......

galaxy said:

1 in 200?? You think that’s a problem? Let’s make the numbers say something. 1 in 200 is not even 1%. It’s not even 1/2%. It’s .005% of cars on the road. At .005%, you don’t even have a problem. There are not even hoops to jump through yet. If you’re a heart surgeon .005% failure rate may be unacceptable, but if you’re a......

Click to expand...

1 in 200 is exactly 0.5%. FYI. :cheers:

galaxy said:

1 in 200?? You think that’s a problem? Let’s make the numbers say something. 1 in 200 is not even 1%. It’s not even 1/2%. It’s .005% of cars on the road. At .005%, you don’t even have a problem. There are not even hoops to jump through yet. If you’re a heart surgeon .005% failure rate may be unacceptable, but if you’re a......

Click to expand...

1 in 200 not 1/2 of 1%??? I guess common core math has been adopted as universal.

CANTWN4LSN said:

Just curious about opinions from those with manufacturing knowledge on when Ford would start to worry enough to let us know what the reason for failures have been. If around 100 engines have had to be replaced so far (as a guess-timate of a total based on the number in this selective population at M6G so don't hold me to it) out of 20,000 produced that's one in 200. At 1 in 100, 1 in 50? Even though they are apparently doing a good job of replacement as necessary, at some point and I think that even at one in 200 it's time to be a little more open. I know that I would be changing something in my profession if I had a very bad outcome at that rate.

Click to expand...

I don't think Ford would give out the information unless there was an advantage to be had from doing it. Possibly some day when every Voodoo is out of warranty we might learn more.

The symptoms definitely point to several different causes of failures, not just a single one.

Hack said:

1 in 200 is exactly 0.5%. FYI. :cheers:

Click to expand...

Oh crap. Hahahaha...dang it...I knew that didn’t look right when I did it. My bad. Slip of the pencil this morning. Thanks Hack.

Tflong24 said:

1 in 200 not 1/2 of 1%??? I guess common core math has been adopted as universal.

Click to expand...

I guess it must be nice to be perfect and never haven made a mistake.

Either way, point remains...I’d venture Ford would not consider a .5% failure rate a problem.

So here's an honest question. Are there as many cases of regular 5.0 engine failures? It's not a vehicle that I'm planning on purchasing so I didn't spend much effort researching.

300blackout said:

So here's an honest question. Are there as many cases of regular 5.0 engine failures? It's not a vehicle that I'm planning on purchasing so I didn't spend much effort researching.

Click to expand...

Numbers are difficult to obtain right now, but there's a 1000+ post thread on the 18MY 5.0L with regards to odd ticks which some have led to failure. The manual trans has a TSB out now for the shift forks breaking as well.

The 15-17MY models didn't have this many issues that I can recall.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102509

Damn Ford, at least we can't blame Ford for favoritism lol. So this quality, or lack thereof, is nothing new with Ford? That's a serious question too as I'm new to Ford.

300blackout said:

Damn Ford, at least we can't blame Ford for favoritism lol. So this quality, or lack thereof, is nothing new with Ford? That's a serious question too as I'm new to Ford.

Click to expand...

This is a bit odd to be honest.

There were tune-related issues on the launch of the 5.0L in cylinder 8 in 2011 but apart from that, it was fine.

The Roadrunner was a very stout engine in the 2012-2013 Boss 302.

The Gen 2 Coyote is a very stout engine as well in the 15-17 GT, just a little neutered stock for some reason.

All have had what's referred to as the BBQ tick, not an engine failure mode but annoying. OPG can let go once boost is added in.

However lately Ford has had it rough; he Focus RS was a disaster of a launch, the GT350 is questionable for sure (but I don't think it's as bad as the RS was), and this new 5.0L has me questioning it. I think the new 5.0L will become great, but right now it is not and I wouldn't buy one.

Hack said:

I don't think Ford would give out the information unless there was an advantage to be had from doing it. Possibly some day when every Voodoo is out of warranty we might learn more.

Click to expand...

I'm not a lawyer, but I would speculate that if this was brought to the attention of the NHTSA as a safety matter (if you lose the engine on a busy interstate at 65mph it can get messy, I think?), and NHTSA demanded that Ford respond, then either the real numbers and reasons would be publicly disclosed, or possibly could be accessible with a FOIA request?

galaxy said:

Oh crap. Hahahaha...dang it...I knew that didn’t look right when I did it. My bad. Slip of the pencil this morning. Thanks Hack.



I guess it must be nice to be perfect and never haven made a mistake.

Either way, point remains...I’d venture Ford would not consider a .5% failure rate a problem.

Click to expand...

I was just picking at you, knew you made an honest mistake. don't worry, I had to check with a calculator.