redclaw05
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Ordered and bought mine last week. Didn’t know they did a change. Otherwise I would have went with jlt. Installed the intake yesterday. Was confused why the product looked different than video installs.
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When I called PMAS and spoke to the Product Specialist to see if they offered a different heat shield or if I could purchase the older design one; He said he didn't see what the issue was with IAt's in the 150's . :eyebulge: WoW
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You could try the 170 thermostat. I am in Cali and I haven't had a mid 90 day since I installed the thermostat but I had 87 degrees days. I noticed after the thermastat install it does drop the temp when moving when it wouldn't before it would just be heat soaked and only drop significantly when on the freeway above 70mph. But now is seem to drop more frequently even at cruising speeds. Won't have a real tell until we get back to normal temps for this time of year and the Summer when we are above 110 constantly.
Torinate
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Yup!
I contacted them as well when mine arrived and was different than their pics even. No help.
They “think” the MAP in plastic “may” be cooler than the original aluminum one. Couldn’t give any stats though. Said they didn’t have any of the older heat shields. POOR exchange with these for sure.
I really like the elbow and filter and know they make power.
But... anyone know if the new plastic MAF will hold more heat (heat soak?) than the aluminum one? Which will cool quicker?
I am in process of altering the shield so hopefully can iron that out.
Genxer
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I have the older heat shield and I improved on IATs significantly with some mods to the box, which I detailed in another thread. One gent (UK I believe) did extensive mods and chronicled it as well.
It isn't that hard to make changes...I don't know why PMAS doesn't do this. I kept approx. the same sq in. of opening in my box while shielding much of the heat away. My IATs are maybe 8 deg over ambient while going down the hwy.
It isn't that hard to make changes...I don't know why PMAS doesn't do this. I kept approx. the same sq in. of opening in my box while shielding much of the heat away. My IATs are maybe 8 deg over ambient while going down the hwy.
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Torinate
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Yea. But...
I’m disappointed in PMAS. I feel they slid one by me. The information and pics on all the websites show the older design with larger heat shield and aluminum MAF.
Then they slip in a smaller, poorer heat shield and a plastic MAF which they “think” “May” be better but can’t show any evidence of it actually dissipating heat better. Anyone here know if he plastic is better than aluminum?
Felt the same way here in Ontario when a pound of bacon (454 grams) was skimmed down to 375 grams and they advertised new packaging and a higher price.
Just a bit misled is all. My own fault though. Buyer beware as they say...
Now, if they changed the pics on their website and made a statement with proven data of the new MAF being better and a even a notice of the change of the heat shield I wouldn’t feel this way. There have been way too many people buy the new one without any knowledge of the changes.
I have done a few things to hopefully remedy the heat shield, but my fear is that the new plastic MAF will just get heat soaked and take 3 times as long to cool as the original aluminum one. That may be reality. I can’t find anything even on ge Internet about dissipation of heat with aluminum versus nylon.
After several emails to PMAS and nothing, I’m thinking they know but aren’t really interested in sharing.
I’m disappointed in PMAS. I feel they slid one by me. The information and pics on all the websites show the older design with larger heat shield and aluminum MAF.
Then they slip in a smaller, poorer heat shield and a plastic MAF which they “think” “May” be better but can’t show any evidence of it actually dissipating heat better. Anyone here know if he plastic is better than aluminum?
Felt the same way here in Ontario when a pound of bacon (454 grams) was skimmed down to 375 grams and they advertised new packaging and a higher price.
Just a bit misled is all. My own fault though. Buyer beware as they say...
Now, if they changed the pics on their website and made a statement with proven data of the new MAF being better and a even a notice of the change of the heat shield I wouldn’t feel this way. There have been way too many people buy the new one without any knowledge of the changes.
I have done a few things to hopefully remedy the heat shield, but my fear is that the new plastic MAF will just get heat soaked and take 3 times as long to cool as the original aluminum one. That may be reality. I can’t find anything even on ge Internet about dissipation of heat with aluminum versus nylon.
After several emails to PMAS and nothing, I’m thinking they know but aren’t really interested in sharing.
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I had 130-150 degree intake temps today.
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Is PMAS a member on here?
Burkey
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About 6 months ago, PMAS asked for feedback on their FB site. They were most certainly told that the new shield sucks, that the pictures need to be updated AND that IATs can be quit high at times.
It seems that something as simple as updating a picture is too hard for them.
They couldn’t even tell me the quantity of oil to be used on the filter FFS.
Honestly, I think the new shield is nothing more than a support for the MAF housing. It hardly shields anything.
Plastic vs Aluminium...
I’m going to say that ally is a fantastic conductor of heat when compared to plastic. Take two cars for an identical drive. One with PMAS aluminium MAF, one with stock air box. Pop the hoods, touch the aluminium and plastic parts. You’ll soon work it out.:cheers:
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Torinate
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Okay I hear you. But I’m not sure I know the answer. I’m dense with this... but got a medical question?
So will the aluminum be hotter than the plastic? Ok. So in 10 minutes, will there aluminum dissipate the heat quicker and then be cooler than the plastic one? Which will hold more heat for longer? I am wondering if this could be the source or the really high IAT temps - with the MAF holding too much heat.
I’m not on Facebook so don’t follow anyone. I can’t believe this was discussed so long ago and still no update to their site and no update to their product.
Customer feedback and ongoing product development is crucial to any company! Ask RIM / BlackBerry. Resting on your laurels and ignoring feedback does not do a company well...
Grabberyote- that stinks. I was hoping for a resolution. Was this in traffic or cruising? Did it drop or consistently high?
Are all the open elements heating up this bad? Do they cool quicker within a few minutes of higher speed / more airflow?
I’ve built a new side to my heat shield to shield it from the radiator air and only allow
Air to come through the honeycombs. Haven’t had a chance to install it yet. Made it out of sheet aluminum. I’ll post back when I get it hooked up and tested. But honestly, wish I was more optimistic about the results.
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Plenty of other options out there fella's. Steeda - JLT - Airaid - Corsa and on and on and....
Torinate
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Yes. But I already bought and have the PMAS. I hate modifying my modifications. I feel misled.
Is there someone from PMAS on the forum? Or maybe a well respected vendor could weigh in with maybe what they’ve found with the IAT temps and what could be considered too high and what they’ve done to remedy it. If it truly is a concern or not and if it is, what they recommend instead. That would be good to know... if this is all nonsense or not...
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People experiencing high(er) IAT's with the PMAS (even the older box design) are well documented. PMAS says more airflow trumps lower temps - i agree.
Read mega-thread here: https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55216&highlight=PMAS
And for the record - i felt slighted too when i received the newer shield instead of the older box style. All went away as soon as installed it, loaded up the tune, and took her for a ride.
Read mega-thread here: https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55216&highlight=PMAS
And for the record - i felt slighted too when i received the newer shield instead of the older box style. All went away as soon as installed it, loaded up the tune, and took her for a ride.
Torinate
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I don’t want to come across like an idiot, but Did PMAS tell you that or is that your own observation? I can’t get anyone’s time of Day there. As I said earlier, I love the elbow and filter. I know it flows very well. But the kit should have come exactly as their Pictures. Aluminum MAF and bigger full shield. I am not trying to be argumentative, but I just don’t know enough about it to make any arguments either way other than knowing high temps are not good for making power.
What are your temps running?
I’d really like PMAS or a vendor to enlighten me on what temps are too much and t what real world HP loss we are likely to see with elevated temps.
Still trying to research the aluminum Vs plastic housing and what will hold more heat and what will dissipate more heat.
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