2021 Mach 1 Results @ Car and Driver Lightning Lap 2022

[Jamongkad]

Damn that's really impressive, 0.4 faster than a GT350R, I'm surprised the GT350R aero did not really help it in the corners. Considering the Mach 1 has a similar aero package as the 2019/20 GT350's. One thing that I would have loved to have on the GT350 is optional rev matching.

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[Atlas1]

Damn that's really impressive, 0.4 faster than a GT350R, I'm surprised the GT350R aero did not really help it in the corners. Considering the Mach 1 has a similar aero package as the 2019/20 GT350's. One thing that I would have loved to have on the GT350 is optional rev matching.

for those like me that are totally unfamiliar with this track, does it offer the gt350r opportunity to take advantage of the aero?

 

[Mr. Maboomba]

for those like me that are totally unfamiliar with this track, does it offer the gt350r opportunity to take advantage of the aero?

Yes - Virginia International Raceway is a fast track, with overall average speed of 159 kph (99 mph), according to the interwebs.

 

[Jamongkad]

for those like me that are totally unfamiliar with this track, does it offer the gt350r opportunity to take advantage of the aero?

That's a good question, the track is VIR and based on the video looks to be an amazing track!

These are the down force numbers for the different oem wings. I don't have the total down force numbers which includes the R extended splitter. But this alone should give you an idea that the R supposedly has the down force advantage.

GT350R: 300 lbs @ 120mph
2019 Swing: 135 lbs @ 120 mph
2019 Swing with Gurney Flap: 238 @ 120 mph

 

[RobZ71LM7]

Different days, conditions and presumably different drivers make the results hard to compare. I'm sure on many courses they are not separated by much, but the GT350R should prevail. Given one of the largest differences is power and power band limit, is there anything gearing wise which limits how the GT350R can use its powerplant at VIR? Believe me I'd like to believe my Mach 1 HP on order is just as fast on road courses as a GT350R, but I'm finding it hard to believe that aren't other variables at play here, let alone a sample of one.

 

[murick]

The low end power is a big factor but I would like to think brakes are actually very good on the Machs and outperform the GT350R in this area. Car and driver noted it Here under the handling section.

I did not find anything about Mach 1 breaks in the whole article. In the handling section they say that Shelby's do more g than Mach 1, in lateral grip, which cannot be attributed to breaks.

 

[Rynoe]

I did not find anything about Mach 1 breaks in the whole article. In the handling section they say that Shelby's do more g than Mach 1, in lateral grip, which cannot be attributed to breaks.

It’s just below that part:

The Mach 1's stopping power comes from 15.0-inch front and 13.0-inch rear iron rotors, and it stops quicker from 70 mph than the GT350 and GT500, requiring 141 feet to both the GT350R's 146 feet and the GT500s' 150 feet. The Bullitt needed 165 feet to come to a halt from 70 mph.

I’ve seen this in other articles too. Same 70-0mph or 100-0km/h tests. It’s strange I agree, but if it’s true it could be what pushed the Mach ahead a little here.

 

[RocketGuy3]

Holy crap, it's 2.6 seconds faster than my 2016 GT4... How quickly things change.

Of course this is with the handling pack, which my Mach 1 will not have. But my guess is adding the PSC2s alone will cover most of the difference.

I still hate magazine racing and thinks it brings out the absolute worst in us car nuts on these forums... but it can be fun to talk about, and of course it's always nice to see it give props to your car of choice lol.

 

[WD Pro]

It’s just below that part:

The Mach 1's stopping power comes from 15.0-inch front and 13.0-inch rear iron rotors, and it stops quicker from 70 mph than the GT350 and GT500, requiring 141 feet to both the GT350R's 146 feet and the GT500s' 150 feet. The Bullitt needed 165 feet to come to a halt from 70 mph.

I’ve seen this in other articles too. Same 70-0mph or 100-0km/h tests. It’s strange I agree, but if it’s true it could be what pushed the Mach ahead a little here.

Now I’m really confused, other than a paint job I thought the M1’s brakes were the same as the Bullitt’s (and PP1 / PP2) and a lesser design and size to the Shelby’s ?

WD

 

[Atlas1]

Different days, conditions and presumably different drivers make the results hard to compare. I'm sure on many courses they are not separated by much, but the GT350R should prevail. Given one of the largest differences is power and power band limit, is there anything gearing wise which limits how the GT350R can use its powerplant at VIR? Believe me I'd like to believe my Mach 1 HP on order is just as fast on road courses as a GT350R, but I'm finding it hard to believe that aren't other variables at play here, let alone a sample of one.

the most valuable takeaway for me is that in the real world, the differences between the mach 1 and gt350 are small enough that it will be a race between the drivers. it isn't some huge gap like you would find between the gt500 and the rest of the lineup. on paper the gt350r with lighter wheels, bigger brakes, and more horsepower/aero should be superior. but its fun seeing the underdog parts bin special prove that the right combination can produce a well performing machine, even if they forgot to add in the snake emblem from the parts bin

 

[Atlas1]

Now I’m really confused, other than a paint job I thought the M1’s brakes were the same as the Bullitt’s (and PP1 / PP2) and a lesser design and size to the Shelby’s ?

WD

there could be some calibration difference? but the biggest factor is probably the tires which have more grip

 

[Mr. Maboomba]

It’s just below that part:

The Mach 1's stopping power comes from 15.0-inch front and 13.0-inch rear iron rotors, and it stops quicker from 70 mph than the GT350 and GT500, requiring 141 feet to both the GT350R's 146 feet and the GT500s' 150 feet. The Bullitt needed 165 feet to come to a halt from 70 mph.

I’ve seen this in other articles too. Same 70-0mph or 100-0km/h tests. It’s strange I agree, but if it’s true it could be what pushed the Mach ahead a little here.

It's weird to see the Mach 1 HP stop faster then the GT350R when it weighs 108 lbs more, including 60 lbs of rotating mass in heavier wheels, and it has smaller brakes (the GT350R has 15.5-inch front and 14.9-inch rear rotors).

 

[shogun32]

So now everyone can back off on the "parts bin special" criticisms too.

never!

The shelby is every bit parts bin, they just soaked the buyers for initial R&D which the Mach1 benefitted from and incurred no R&D expense. But Ford still availed themselves of the opportunity to double-soak Mach1 buyers for long-since depreciated investments. Hey, getting paid 2 or 3 times is hella better than just once!

So 2 seconds better than the almost identical PP2 (same tires, different trans, no coolers). At least it's still a chasmic 3.5 seconds faster than the SS/1LE which only costs 25% less...

(PS. I'll go back to my "mach1 is a rip-off" thread now...)

 

[S550VIN54]

i've suspected from the very beginning that a mach 1 HP tremec car would be right on the ass of a gt350. i'm surprised to see it hang with the R. the longer a track even goes i believe the gt350 brakes will create a bigger gap but in any case i'm glad like others on here that some of the shit talking can be put to bed. this is a great car and everyone that has driven one will agree.
and i still think the 10 speed car will beat all of the above.

I owned them both so I can attest to that! VIR is one of the most demanding and enduring tracks I had the pleasure to drive on and ride shotgun with a professional race car driver and for that reason is why Mfg's and Nascar practice there. Cheers to the Mach 1!!!

 

[shogun32]

GT350R: 300 lbs @ 120mph
2019 Swing: 135 lbs @ 120 mph
2019 Swing with Gurney Flap: 238 @ 120 mph

speeds proximate to which you will only see on the front straight and the backstraight after Oak Tree. Then the runup to the climbing esses.

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