2021 GT500 For Sale at Local Dealership

[Baldilocks]

that’s what you get for owning a gt!

Glad I do. Mine is more of a cruiser than anything else.

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[TonyNJ]

It is simple and honestly I'm surprised to hear you ask this question. The GT500 was an improvement on the lessons learned from the GT350. Ford Performance decided to develop an improved version in terms of capability and performance for each version.

For example, I had the pleasure of meeting and driving with Billy Johnson at the Daytona International Speedway a while back in one of my GT350Rs. Since I had my order in for a '20 GT500 CFTP, I had a lot of questions to ask the very person who developed the GT500 as well as the GT350 and the Ford GT. The topic of discussion ranged from the GT350 and its performance along with applications but with the subject matter focusing towards the GT500 that was about to come.

Some of my pointed questions included a comparison in terms of suitability to as well as comparative performance characteristics of the 500 vs the 350. In no uncertain terms I was told that the GT500 will be exponentially better in every way to the GT350. Furthermore I was told that anyone of means should get the CFTP. I was set back by that a little bit based upon the infamous track capable car that the GT350R was. Nonetheless, we headed out on the track and I got to watch what the master was capable of. The man is a magician behind the wheel and is one of the best in the business. So when Billy Johnson makes a statement like that, I take that as gospel.

Eventually my CFTP was delivered and the car was absolutely amazing. I was running in the professional racers group and the capabilities of the car shined. I was progressively pushing the car faster and faster driving two minute laps. The car had more in it. I suspect in the hands of Billy, it would be 1:50ish laps, which is insane fast for a car like this.

So anyway, a question that was asked more or less was "what was this car built for"? My answer is it depends on the version you get. The car that I have, the CFTP, is purpose built for the track. Specifically where it shines is fast tracks where you can quickly accelerate to speed and still maneuver on more technical portions of the track. As for the base 500? We've seen many do very well at the strip with relatively minor modifications.

If your game is not some form of track or drag strip, then there are other vehicles for people who don't need the performance. If the person asking the question meant something like "why would anyone who does not take their car to the track need such performance"? Well that comes down to each person's individual reasons. I am a firm believer that anyone who can afford the vehicle should not be kept from buying it because it is their money and their decision of how to spend it. Either version of the GT500 really was not intended to be a "drive to the grocery store" car or whatever. But if a person can afford it and that's what they want to do, then have at it.

Which brings us to the whole ADM discussion. If someone wants something bad enough and they are willing to pay whatever they can afford, they who is anyone else to second judge them? It is a free market that is governed by supply and demand. Adam Smith wrote in wealth of nations about the invisible hand that governs markets based upon free will and that so called invisible hand will guide and move the economy to what it really is.

So, the idea of "lets all hold out and force the dealerships to sell only at MSRP" is preposterous. Anyone who thinks like that is naïve and foolish. It has been and still seems to be the folks who come over here from the GT section of the forum are the ones who think this way. They roll into a dealership parking lot and negotiate MSRP and sub MSRP deals on GTs all the doo da day. For Ford Performance vehicles, it normally doesn't work that way.

So bla bla bla to go along with the bla bla bla of the GT folks.

I leave you with a clip of Billy Johnson driving one of my former R models, HR361. I never had so much fun in a very long time watching a master work in unison with a machine he developed.

In all seriousness...Are you the editor of Motor Trend? Car and Driver? Popular Mechanics? I feel like I'm way too stupid to be corresponding on this forum with you. I thought GT500s were made for people who want to feel good, do cool stuff, own awesome things, and live their dreams. I should probably just play video games while I'm still living here in my mom's basement.

 

[Tomster]

that’s what you get for owning a gt!

Aw, shucks, someone got their feelings hurt. Maybe I didn't dona good job of mentoring you, lol. But you still get a trophy for trying out, lol

 

[Tomster]

In all seriousness...Are you the editor of Motor Trend? Car and Driver? Popular Mechanics? I feel like I'm way too stupid to be corresponding on this forum with you. I thought GT500s were made for people who want to feel good, do cool stuff, own awesome things, and live their dreams. I should probably just play video games while I'm still living here in my mom's basement.

One right back at you, in all seriousness, you don't think Frick and Frack are trolling? Like most forums, that's how you deal with trolls. I think i have given some honest answers to some honest questions but the trolls keep a trollin'.

Sorry if the non Ford Performance vehicle owners take issue, but I think most of what I said was valid. The 500 and the 350 are not the same car and yet we have self proclaimed experts of non Ford Performance vehicles giving their indepth insight about something they don't have personal experience to back it up with.

You wrote "I thought GT500s were made for people who want to feel good, do cool stuff, own awesome things, and live their dreams".

As I have said, before to either Frick or Frack, that anyone who wants one of these cars should be able to go out and buy one and spend their money as they see fit, to include paying an ADM. But that seems to strike another chord in the argument. So are you of the mindset that everyone should hold out and refuse to pay a dime more than MSRP? Think before answering.

Since you did say "in all seriousness"...... I might add that if you are living in your moms basement, I probably would not be going out and buying a $100,00+ car. But as I said before, it's your money and you should be able to spend it as you see fit. However i do feel that Mom might not be happy with you because she probably would like nothing more than to get you out of HER basement and get you back into the real world and stop playing video games.

I have been sincere where honest questions have been asked. I have also dealt with Frick and Frack in true internet smackdown cafe protocols (which were well deserved IMHO).

So not necessarily directed to you, but honest questions get honest answers and trolls are dealt with accordingly. There will probably come a point where the mods will jump in, but i don't think they appreciate trolls either. So let me know if you have any more questions "in all seriousness".

 

[TonyNJ]

One right back at you, in all seriousness, you don't think Frick and Frack are trolling? Like most forums, that's how you deal with trolls. I think i have given some honest answers to some honest questions but the trolls keep a trollin'.

Sorry if the non Ford Performance vehicle owners take issue, but I think most of what I said was valid. The 500 and the 350 are not the same car and yet we have self proclaimed experts of non Ford Performance vehicles giving their indepth insight about something they don't have personal experience to back it up with.

You wrote "I thought GT500s were made for people who want to feel good, do cool stuff, own awesome things, and live their dreams".

As I have said, before to either Frick or Frack, that anyone who wants one of these cars should be able to go out and buy one and spend their money as they see fit, to include paying an ADM. But that seems to strike another chord in the argument. So are you of the mindset that everyone should hold out and refuse to pay a dime more than MSRP? Think before answering.

Since you did say "in all seriousness"...... I might add that if you are living in your moms basement, I probably would not be going out and buying a $100,00+ car. But as I said before, it's your money and you should be able to spend it as you see fit. However i do feel that Mom might not be happy with you because she probably would like nothing more than to get you out of HER basement and get you back into the real world and stop playing video games.

I have been sincere where honest questions have been asked. I have also dealt with Frick and Frack in true internet smackdown cafe protocols (which were well deserved IMHO).

So not necessarily directed to you, but honest questions get honest answers and trolls are dealt with accordingly. There will probably come a point where the mods will jump in, but i don't think they appreciate trolls either. So let me know if you have any more questions "in all seriousness".

You're a serious man. I respect that. I'm sorry if I came across as cavalier or presumptuous. Bottom line... I'm gonna get a new or very clean 2020 or 2021 GT500 for $75,000 in the next year or so. I'm going to drive the shit out of it, leave it in the sun and rain, parked in my driveway, it's gonna get all dusty, dirty, and unfortunately all door dinged up. Hopefully no one steals it. I'll put PPF on it but that will fade and weather too and members will mock me here for the crappy wrap job. I'll probably add some non performance mods and act like it makes it better. It's gonna be great. I look forward to posting content on this forum with it.

 

[TonyNJ]

Socialists, what are ya gonna do with 'em Maybe we can form an anarcho-syndicalist commune!

Before I pulled the trigger on the Bullitt last weekend I threw an "invoice" offer at the stealership down the street for the Mach 1 in their showroom (they had a $5k markup on it.) Later that day the Sales Manager calls me and says "Do you want to make a realistic offer?" I basically declined and headed off for the Bullitt, which was $18k cheaper and a better fit for my usage.

But yeah, the "let's all band together and refuse to pay ADMs" thing has always been foolish. If you don't want to pay them, either wait for late in the model cycle, or find a used one at some point. These high end cars always end up on the used market cuz there are folks that buy them and really can't afford them (or otherwise decide it's not how they want to use their money), and at some point they wise up and put it up for sale. So you find low-mileage cars at a much better price. We're seeing it with the Bullitt right now and there are even several used GT500s for sale in my area.

You're awesome. That's funny that the dealer called YOU and asked for a better offer. I hear you. Looking forward to picking up a low mileage mint GT500 in a year or so.

Enjoy your bad ass car. I always thought the Black Bullitt was the way to go but people seem to be put off by them. Either color...awesome car.

 

[kilobravo]

I just have a hard time wrapping my head around $108k for a Mustang.

Until you drive the car, Jay. :-)

 

[ICU812]

One right back at you, in all seriousness, you don't think Frick and Frack are trolling? Like most forums, that's how you deal with trolls. I think i have given some honest answers to some honest questions but the trolls keep a trollin'.

Sorry if the non Ford Performance vehicle owners take issue, but I think most of what I said was valid. The 500 and the 350 are not the same car and yet we have self proclaimed experts of non Ford Performance vehicles giving their indepth insight about something they don't have personal experience to back it up with.

You wrote "I thought GT500s were made for people who want to feel good, do cool stuff, own awesome things, and live their dreams".

As I have said, before to either Frick or Frack, that anyone who wants one of these cars should be able to go out and buy one and spend their money as they see fit, to include paying an ADM. But that seems to strike another chord in the argument. So are you of the mindset that everyone should hold out and refuse to pay a dime more than MSRP? Think before answering.

Since you did say "in all seriousness"...... I might add that if you are living in your moms basement, I probably would not be going out and buying a $100,00+ car. But as I said before, it's your money and you should be able to spend it as you see fit. However i do feel that Mom might not be happy with you because she probably would like nothing more than to get you out of HER basement and get you back into the real world and stop playing video games.

I have been sincere where honest questions have been asked. I have also dealt with Frick and Frack in true internet smackdown cafe protocols (which were well deserved IMHO).

So not necessarily directed to you, but honest questions get honest answers and trolls are dealt with accordingly. There will probably come a point where the mods will jump in, but i don't think they appreciate trolls either. So let me know if you have any more questions "in all seriousness".

So anyone that option is not in lock step with yours is trolling.
REALLY TOMMY.
Might want to get your head out of the clouds the thin air is not good long term.

 

[JeremyPro5.0]

So anyone that option is not in lock step with yours is trolling.
REALLY TOMMY.
Might want to get your head out of the clouds the thin air is not good long term.

I feel that Tom’s comments about trolling refer to people who don’t own either Shelby but think they are just mustangs with add-on’s.

You really need to spend time in one of these cars to truly understand just how much effort Ford put into them. Try going to track days and ask for a ride from one of the seasoned drivers of these cars and you will not keep calling them just Mustangs.

True they are Mustangs at heart but man they are so much more and that “more” shows up in twisty’s. You just won’t know till you really push them and find that “the edge” in these cars is so hard to find.

They really are THAT different.

 

[Tomster]

You're a serious man. I respect that. I'm sorry if I came across as cavalier or presumptuous. Bottom line... I'm gonna get a new or very clean 2020 or 2021 GT500 for $75,000 in the next year or so. I'm going to drive the shit out of it, leave it in the sun and rain, parked in my driveway, it's gonna get all dusty, dirty, and unfortunately all door dinged up. Hopefully no one steals it. I'll put PPF on it but that will fade and weather too and members will mock me here for the crappy wrap job. I'll probably add some non performance mods and act like it makes it better. It's gonna be great. I look forward to posting content on this forum with it.

Excellent. In all seriousness, enjoy the car.

 

[Tomster]

So anyone that option is not in lock step with yours is trolling.
REALLY TOMMY.
Might want to get your head out of the clouds the thin air is not good long term.

I thought you were done, lol.

See JeremyPro5.0's post. He gets it.

 

[hlfbkd420]

Aw, shucks, someone got their feelings hurt. Maybe I didn't dona good job of mentoring you, lol. But you still get a trophy for trying out, lol

nope. I actually enjoy listening to you get all huffy puffy about your investment. Trolls be trolling trolls. Enjoy

 

[Tomster]

nope. I actually enjoy listening to you get all huffy puffy about your investment. Trolls be trolling trolls. Enjoy

Maybe that is the problem with the written word. Not huffy or puffy. Its just the same old argument over and over since the car was announced.

It makes for a good read if you go back to the early days of this section.

 

[DougS550]

Artificial turf or Rock lol

Comparing one of these cars or a 350 to a loaded gt is laughable. I have a loaded vert gt, not the same animal at all. It’s a great car, but very far from a 350 or even more then a 500. The cold reality is most of the people that buy these types of cars have disposable income because they have more brain sells then most, thus the reason they can afford them. I’d also venture to say that most of those individuals under stant supply side economics and practice it in there professional lives every day on one level or another. And I’m in the desert, I shxt canned my lawn a few years back and installed artificial grass.

 

[Steve68]

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