Next gen Camaro supposedly being canceled (all threads merged)

[SVTSNAKE355]

Don't engage the Tesla zombies, they're all high from sniffing Elon's musk.

only fools compare an electric soulless car to a MUSTANG.his musk smells like shit to me!!

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[SVTSNAKE355]

Time for Terminator 2? I suppose the GT500 could be retroactively called that.

Yea and TERMINATE the Crapmaro once again!!

 

[w3rkn]

Not trying to insult anyone here... (& Me and martin have had this earnest discussion), but I find the current generation of Camaros unsightly. And has a very uncomfortable feeling while sitting inside due to lack of outward visibility, etc.

I don't think GM should kill off the Camaro, but revitalize it under a new DNA. I am turning 50 this year and I just do not see "Chevy Camaro" when I see this gen. It is for a short few.

^^

 

[Biggus Dickus]

Too bad - a modern rendition of the Gen 2 Camaro could've been really cool - instead they doubled down on that chop-top look that I could never abide by.

And don't think Ford won't do the same thing when they hire CEOs of furniture companies to run the show. The Mustang may be safer than the Camaro, but it may no longer be a V8 RWD sweet-heart.

Some how, these lyrics don't work:

"Well I was movin' down the road in my Ecoboost Ford
I had a ice in my latte, I had my sideburns trimmed
With my New Jerk cap and my gold chain displayed
Nobody give me trouble 'cause they know I can't get laid
I'm glad, I'm nationwide
Well I'm glad, glad,glad,glad'glad, I'm nationwide, yes friend!"

 

[9secondko]

I really hope that’s just A rumor.

The 6th gen Camaro was a massive leap in performance and they perfected the design.

at the very least, they need to give it another gen, but this time with some visibility and do some mass appeal.

they knocked this car out of the park for Camaro enthusiasts and even I am a fan, though I tend to dislike the Camaro brand.

the problem is the enthusiasts did not carry the market.

But they can rebound. Hope they do. Look at where the mustang is now due to the competition.

 

[DekiDoo]

https://www.motorauthority.com/news...AvY4J2DmO9t3g98sQnONhV5NBfJVOxtFmCipojLArbsxg

As much as it excites me to post this it also pains me; losing competition is never good but it is good to see an inferior vehicle fail in the marketplace (that really is so easy right now)...

Inferior in ergonomics only, everything else it does much better than the mustang. If Camaro didn't come back in 2010, Ford would have never invested the money to make it better.

 

[Twin Turbo]

On hold...........not cancelled (allegedly)

I'm not on any Camaro forums, but I do watch the occasional video from this guy, and he seems clued up.




What worries me is we have pretty much ZERO evidence of a 7th gen Mustang, either. I appreciate Ford seems more secretive and tight lipped than ever before, but normally there are enough leaks to start to put together a timeline. Now? Who knows? S650 was originally tipped to be a '21MY.....then '23MY.....then the latest rumor puts it at the '26MY, or possibly even '28 or '29MY. Given how often cars are refreshed these day, '23MY would seem to be what we'd "normally" expect. Other than an '18MY with a bit of tarp over the front bumper, we've not seen any prototypes out there. What we do know is Ford may well be about to put a pony badge on an all electric crossover. For me, these are very unsettling times as a Mustang enthusiast.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/next-ford-mustang-details-on-sale-info/

One source says the CD6 Mustang, which goes by the codename S650, appears to be delayed at least to the 2026 model year, while another source guesses 2028 or 2029, either of which makes it less of a product plan than a promise to keep building the icon. In the interim, the S550 Mustang will receive a major mid-cycle facelift to update its current D2C platform and reskin it with new sheetmetal from nose to tail, which will require some underbody work. It’s the mid-cycle D2C update that will spawn a Mustang hybrid, although that car is said to be delayed slightly from the 2021 model year to early in calendar-year 2022.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

On hold...........not cancelled (allegedly)

I'm not on any Camaro forums, but I do watch the occasional video from this guy, and he seems clued up.




What worries me is we have pretty much ZERO evidence of a 7th gen Mustang, either. I appreciate Ford seems more secretive and tight lipped than ever before, but normally there are enough leaks to start to put together a timeline. Now? Who knows? S650 was originally tipped to be a '21MY.....then '23MY.....then the latest rumor puts it at the '26MY, or possibly even '28 or '29MY. Given how often cars are refreshed these day, '23MY would seem to be what we'd "normally" expect. Other than an '18MY with a bit of tarp over the front bumper, we've not seen any prototypes out there. What we do know is Ford may well be about to put a pony badge on an all electric crossover. For me, these are very unsettling times as a Mustang enthusiast.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/next-ford-mustang-details-on-sale-info/

One source says the CD6 Mustang, which goes by the codename S650, appears to be delayed at least to the 2026 model year, while another source guesses 2028 or 2029, either of which makes it less of a product plan than a promise to keep building the icon. In the interim, the S550 Mustang will receive a major mid-cycle facelift to update its current D2C platform and reskin it with new sheetmetal from nose to tail, which will require some underbody work. It’s the mid-cycle D2C update that will spawn a Mustang hybrid, although that car is said to be delayed slightly from the 2021 model year to early in calendar-year 2022.

Good news. Maybe GM will finally dig their heads out of their buts. And build a more practical Camaro. That you can see out of? Cut the ATP bullshit. And price it to the competition. And fire their entire advertising team. Maybe pluck a few away from dodge. (Those guys get it. When it comes to advertising.) Only the hard core fan boys wanna see the car go away.

 

[Hack]

CAFE is so terrible.

 

[martinjlm]

What I think is actually going on here is very similar to Ford announcing that Mustang would continue on S550 for a couple more years rather than going to an S650. And word in the industry is that there will likely never be an “S650”. But rather Ford is re-scheming how to continue Mustang in a CAFE world. GM is continuing Camaro on Alpha for a couple years rather than move it to Alpha2 while they figure out what it should / will / will not be beyond 2023. Similar paths. The difference is, Ford took control of its message and said “here’s what we’re doing”. GM continues to play the “not at liberty to discuss future products” card.

IMHO the biggest threat to BOTH cars is the way CAFE treats vehicle footprint. Vehicles with smaller footprints have to meet higher fuel economy targets than vehicles with larger footprints. At the risk of over-simplifying the concept, footprint is pretty much wheelbase X track. Not really, but close enough for understanding. Mustang and Camaro are short wheelbase cars with powerful engines. They will have higher CAFE targets to hit than Edge or Acadia. The only way they will meet CAFE targets will be through some degree of electrification. That or the companies just have to decide to suck up the deficit on other more efficient models. Car and truck CAFE fleets are managed separately. Guess which two companies just drastically reduced their car fleets? Ford pushing for an electric Mach E makes sense, but from what I can tell, it will be regulated in the Truck CAFE Fleet, so Mustang is still pretty much alone in the Car CAFE Fleet.

 

[thehunterooo]

Inferior in ergonomics only, everything else it does much better than the mustang. If Camaro didn't come back in 2010, Ford would have never invested the money to make it better.

Does everything better but possibly getting the axe

 

[Twin Turbo]

What I think is actually going on here is very similar to Ford announcing that Mustang would continue on S550 for a couple more years rather than going to an S650. And word in the industry is that there will likely never be an “S650”. But rather Ford is re-scheming how to continue Mustang in a CAFE world. GM is continuing Camaro on Alpha for a couple years rather than move it to Alpha2 while they figure out what it should / will / will not be beyond 2023. Similar paths. The difference is, Ford took control of its message and said “here’s what we’re doing”. GM continues to play the “not at liberty to discuss future products” card.

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Have they though? Ford haven't announced anything Mustang-specific. The on/off rumors of whether S650 is coming or not, are just that. Even Automobile mag just quote "an insider". The "Mach-E" is slightly different....they've certainly shown part of their hand there, but I don't class that as a Mustang (I'm still hoping for them NOT to put a pony on it). The only thing Ford have officially announced for Mustang is the hybrid......which they initially said was coming for 2020 (no indication whether that was model or calendar year).

As for CAFE....thanks for that, I was not aware that was how its calculated. I guess, if the rumor of Mustang getting bigger is true, that would help offset CAFE to a small degree. I hope it stays at its current size though......it's a pretty big car as it is, especially as the rear seats are just about usable for small adults/teenagers.

 

[EcoVert]

I'm happy to say I told you so

 

[EcoVert]

Does everything better but possibly getting the axe

So it's not making a profit after all and exclusivity doesn't mean anything

 

[EcoVert]

Why would want to cancel this

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