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Competition is good! Why it seems better than the first offering:

It flows 100% more fuel than the stock pump
It is $1599 retail
It's available in 2 to 4 weeks

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The RTR/Xtreme-DI pump does 200 lph. I'm sure Livernois will pop into this thread, so can you share some details on specs like that, Livernois? I saw that this pump was rated for something like 370 hp on E85 and I'd like some more clarity on the testing, etc of this pump.
 

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The RTR/Xtreme-DI pump does 200 lph. I'm sure Livernois will pop into this thread, so can you share some details on specs like that, Livernois? I saw that this pump was rated for something like 370 hp on E85 and I'd like some more clarity on the testing, etc of this pump.
Yes to me the key is going to be the volume it will flow. The other one at 35% more is not enough to run a high HP Ecoboost on E85 without added AUX fuel. But this one from Livernois might have a more fair price tag attached to it without other vendors having there hand in the till.

Need confirmation and cost on the HP fuel line, and volume at what pressure.

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The RTR/Xtreme-DI pump does 200 lph. I'm sure Livernois will pop into this thread, so can you share some details on specs like that, Livernois? I saw that this pump was rated for something like 370 hp on E85 and I'd like some more clarity on the testing, etc of this pump.
I'm not knocking either pump. I'm just trying to understand things better.
If it is rated for 370 hp on e85 and I want to make more power than that then my only option is to add an AUX fuel kit. Then why bother with spending $1500 to $2000 on HPFP then another $1000 to $1500 on AUX fuel kit when the AUX kit alone will be sufficient?
 

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That's why I asked for more details. As perf said, the other pump was stated to have the capability for 500-550 hp on full e85 whereas this one is stated to be around 370 hp. That's why I asked Livernois for more input as that's a decent gap in hp, so it'd be good to have more information to make a well educated purchasing decision based on one's current/future goals.
 

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I'm not knocking either pump. I'm just trying to understand things better.
If it is rated for 370 hp on e85 and I want to make more power than that then my only option is to add an AUX fuel kit. Then why bother with spending $1500 to $2000 on HPFP then another $1000 to $1500 on AUX fuel kit when the AUX kit alone will be sufficient?
Either pump will make more than the 370 whp on E85 id bet. But if you want a 500 plus whp car on E85, your on your own as far as fueling, pick your poison, you will be on added AUX fuel only, or mixing and matching, it gets hard up in the high HP range on these cars with the HPFP system.
 

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Either pump will make more than the 370 whp on E85 id bet. But if you want a 500 plus whp car on E85, your on your own as far as fueling, pick your poison, you will be on added AUX fuel only, or mixing and matching, it gets hard up in the high HP range on these cars with the HPFP system.
Exactly, I don't expect the RTR pump I'm testing to make more than 500whp on E85. Even if we add injectors it is only going to open up another 40-60whp window on E85. We will see as testing proceeds.

Was going to get on the dyno the other day, went to install the pump and tore the O-ring. Got that sorted out, and now my damn plastic clip on my quick-connect fitting is broke, so had to order another one of those. Bastard...
 

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Exactly, I don't expect the RTR pump I'm testing to make more than 500whp on E85. Even if we add injectors it is only going to open up another 40-60whp window on E85. We will see as testing proceeds.

Was going to get on the dyno the other day, went to install the pump and tore the O-ring. Got that sorted out, and now my damn plastic clip on my quick-connect fitting is broke, so had to order another one of those. Bastard...
I'd like to make the assumption that you'd be happy to test/tune on both pumps, correct?
 

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I'd like to make the assumption that you'd be happy to test/tune on both pumps, correct?
Absolutely I'm not a manufacturer I'm not going to discriminate!
 

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Hey everyone, just wanted to pop in and add some clarity on this for the board members. So far our testing on the has been at the 370awhp level on e85 and 30* weather on our focus RS. Now, we haven't hit the limit so don't take it as that's the end of the usefulness of the pump. The pump maintains commanded pressure even at peak boost at low RPM, which has always been the trouble spot on the ecoboost engines. Keep an eye out for further testing with a certain infamous Livernois shop car soon to find the real limit of fueling with our pump.
 

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Hey everyone, just wanted to pop in and add some clarity on this for the board members. So far our testing on the has been at the 370awhp level on e85 and 30* weather on our focus RS. Now, we haven't hit the limit so don't take it as that's the end of the usefulness of the pump. The pump maintains commanded pressure even at peak boost at low RPM, which has always been the trouble spot on the ecoboost engines. Keep an eye out for further testing with a certain infamous Livernois shop car soon to find the real limit of fueling with our pump.
Look forward to it, I want to see the data from the manufacturer and not 20 different people that spoke to someone at SEMA about it haha.



I can attest to this, not a fan of my combo but is tuning it just fine.
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I'm like 99.99% percent sure I'm getting this...
You made me laugh, I like the 99.99 % part !!! In CA our fuel is so bad and our E85 is so good, its crazy not to take advantage of these new pumps and run E85, it will be worth every penny.
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