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Add Lund's car to the high dyno # cars. I don't know it seems like a trend. Are they all unicorns?
Your not saying that they could actually be underrated are You? Looks like a trend to me but good luck getting any of these guys to admit it.:crazy:
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Your not saying that they could actually be underrated are You? Looks like a trend to me but good luck getting any of these guys to admit it.:crazy:
Underrated is underrated, even the apparent +10 or so crank horsepower than the factory proclaims makes this car underrated.

What is this deal with the underrated term? Underrated has been the term since the Terminator days of 390-400 rwhp being laid down out of a stock car.
 

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if the A10 is the main reason the Mustang has picked up so much 1/4 mile performance why has the F150 seen so little gain from the A10?
Completely different application of the transmission. Not a good comparison.
 

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Holy shit really? You also can't add gears and powerband either. My point was that its all those things in combination.

Also by your explanation a car with 200hp/200tq is just as fast as the same car with 200hp/150tq.
Depends on the entire torque band, not peaks. If a car peaks at 800 rwtq at 3000RPM but then is only twisting out 200 tq by the end of the RPM band at say 7000RPM, what's the point? That's why the GT350 is so utterly frustrating bellow 3000RPM and then it snaps your neck in half at 3500.
 
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Depends on the entire torque band, not peaks. If a car peaks at 800 rwtq at 3000RPM but then is only twisting out 200 tq by the end of the RPM band at say 7000RPM, what's the point? That's why the GT350 is so utterly frustrating bellow 3000RPM and then it snaps your neck in half at 3500.
I'm tired of comments going over your head. I'm not going to bother anymore.
 

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I'm tired of comments going over your head. I'm not going to bother anymore.
The same could be said about you especially since your logic is also not correct by simply saying a car at 200/200 is equally as fast as a 200/150 car to try and counter someone else's argument. 200 where in the power band? 150 where in the power band? What does the rest of the torque curve look like? The comment has not gone over my head, I'm digging further into so you have a better understanding of how power bands work because you clearly don't if you're only speaking in terms of peak power and peak torque.
 

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Torque and HP don't add together, and horsepower is a number that takes torque into account. Torque is completely meaningless if you are analyzing performance. That's why quarter mile calculators never use torque. The torque produced by the engine won't tell you anything about how quick the car is.


Torque lives matter too!

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But in all seriousness, yes that is correct. Because torque is a REPRESENTATION of a force on a tangent plain since force actually can only be applied from point to point in a straight line. It also tells you nothing about actual work being performed over time.
 

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The same could be said about you especially since your logic is also not correct by simply saying a car at 200/200 is equally as fast as a 200/150 car to try and counter someone else's argument. 200 where in the power band? 150 where in the power band? What does the rest of the torque curve look like? The comment has not gone over my head, I'm digging further into so you have a better understanding of how power bands work because you clearly don't if you're only speaking in terms of peak power and peak torque.
NO, I think he means you are going a little overboard, trying to be too literal. When he was talking about the entire powerband & you were talking about peaks...


I don't care about HP at all. All I need is to see a powerband. I can determine if the plot is what I am looking for. Actuals are arbitrary.
 

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Could we get a dyno plot from a 15-17 model an overlay it on the 2018 dyno plot?

I just made a new post with a comparison since a few people asked about it.
 

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Completely different application of the transmission. Not a good comparison.
horseshit, it's the only good comparison your going to get...a virtually unchanged platform with the magical transmission swapped in...results were negligeable.
 
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horseshit, it's the only good comparison your going to get...a virtually unchanged platform with the magical transmission swapped in...results were negligeable.
It would depend on the programming for that F150 vs the Mustang. They likely have very different shift strategies. Same for if the rear gear changed at all.
 

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Ok, I have some overlayed dyno graphs for you guys. I had to guesstimate the 6800-7400 rpm portion of the 2018 graph (dashed lines) due to no actual graph existing past 6800 rpm
Coyote GEN 3 vs Boss 302 small.jpg
Coyote GEN 3 vs Coyote GEN 2 small.jpg
Coyote GEN 3 vs LS3 small.jpg
Coyote GEN 3 vs LT1 small.jpg
Coyote GEN 3 vs Voodoo small.jpg
 
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