Camber plates track grade: Vorshlag vs Ground Control vs ?

I require adjusting Camber track side. (And toe). 90% track car.
Vorshlag or Ground Control or ?
Hella respect for both for supporting grassroots Mustang community.
Anyone setup both of these and have thoughts?

I use vorshlag plates, but do not try to adjust trackside. The issue is that you are going to change the toe by quite a bit (1/8" or so) when going from max positive to max negative.

I would imagine either would be similar as far as adjusting at track. Jack car up, loosen bolts, slide to marking that you know gives the camber you are wanting.

sigintel said:

I require adjusting Camber track side. 90% track car.
Vorshlag or Ground Control or ?
Hella respect for both for supporting grassroots Mustang community.
Anyone setup both of these and have thoughts?

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You might want to see who FRP is having build their camber plates or find someone who can copy the design.

If you build them they will come. I would do it but I do not have time until this winter to take on any new projects.

Dave

MM also makes a great set of Camber Plates that I would pick up as well.

FRP strut towers arent stock. ZF/Sachs struts.

I'm using the J&M camber plates with SPL Camber bolts.

Works extremely well.

sigintel said:

FRP strut towers arent stock. ZF/Sachs struts.

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I think you may have missed my point, I am sure I could have been clearer in my statement about trying to find out who built the FRP setup. My idea was to design or copy the shim style camber plates for use with any type of strut or coilover. Incorporating a caster adjustment as well would be the hot setup.

You could always go with the over the counter options we have now vs building a proper "race" setup, but you would have to spend a lot of time on the alignment rack making known good alignment changes and marking those changes on the car so you could recreate those setups at the track. Its a lot of work and what I have done so far, but in a perfect world having a shim camber adjustment would be best.

Dave

I have MM, but they make a bit of noise. I'm too cheap to get the Vorshlag ones so far...

ddozier said:

I think you may have missed my point, I am sure I could have been clearer in my statement about trying to find out who built the FRP setup. My idea was to design or copy the shim style camber plates for use with any type of strut or coilover. Incorporating a caster adjustment as well would be the hot setup.

You could always go with the over the counter options we have now vs building a proper "race" setup, but you would have to spend a lot of time on the alignment rack making known good alignment changes and marking those changes on the car so you could recreate those setups at the track. Its a lot of work and what I have done so far, but in a perfect world having a shim camber adjustment would be best.
Dave

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Thanks Dave, my response was horrible. I am under the impression that ZF(Sachs) may have built those plates to go with their struts as they can be very picky with how their setups are run. Totally speculative.
If anyone is going to be in Austin at COTA this weekend, let me know as ZF(Sachs) people will be there possibly including those w knowledge on Stang set up. Cant be there as will be at TWS 2 hrs away.

Yes, I hear ya on the work(play) time amount to setup marks and a reproduceable procedure to change settings trackside (skipping toe bars or not). I could easily kill a weekend just playing with weight bags, load straps and cells and a toe bar set or alignment rack just mapping the 5 link action out. From what I have heard from those that have, anything over 1-1.4" lowered via stock geometry runs into issues. Anyone seen PAE front end?

Plates and FR track pack with linears, or go nuts full custom... Dangerous slippery slope.

sigintel said:

Yes, I hear ya on the work(play) time amount to setup marks and a reproduceable procedure to change settings trackside (skipping toe bars or not). I could easily kill a weekend just playing with weight bags, load straps and cells and a toe bar set or alignment rack just mapping the 5 link action out. From what I have heard from those that have, anything over 1-1.4" lowered via stock geometry runs into issues. Anyone seen PAE front end?

Plates and FR track pack with linears, or go nuts full custom... Dangerous slippery slope.

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I am running the Ridetech setup, they move the camber settings to the strut base and use an eccentric bolt to adjust camber, I have them marked for -2.7* and -3.1* and I can make the change at the track. making the change at the knuckle has little effect on tow or caster so I have been able to get away with the little change in camber at the track. I make the change dependent on tire choice and track grip level. It would be nice to have more adjustment than the 2 settings but it is working for me so far. Having the shim style camber plates would allow for much more adjustment and should be more accurate as well.

The shim style plates are on my winter project list, but I still have projects left over from last winter I did not get done.

Dave

I went from MM to Vorshlag plates when I changed from an OEM style spring to a 60mm race spring on the same struts. Wish I had done Vorshlag first since the nice thing about them aside from the high quality design is they can be adapted to work with OEM, 2.25", 60mm and 2.5" springs. I wouldn't have had to buy a different plate, just perch adapters.

c_reber said:

I have MM, but they make a bit of noise. I'm too cheap to get the Vorshlag ones so far...

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Were they clunking from day 1?

CTH621 said:

Were they clunking from day 1?

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No, actually someone had warned me about them being noisy before I bought them, but I found a really good deal on a set, so just bought them. Not much noise for the first couple months, but it's loud now after about 5-6 months of having them installed.

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No, actually someone had warned me about them being noisy before I bought them, but I found a really good deal on a set, so just bought them. Not much noise for the first couple months, but it's loud now after about 5-6 months of having them installed.

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How loud are we talking? Clunking over every little bump in the road? That is very disappointing to hear. I was going to get the MM plates but it's a daily driver so maybe Ill go with Steeda instead. Apparently they are very quiet and stay that way.

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No, actually someone had warned me about them being noisy before I bought them, but I found a really good deal on a set, so just bought them. Not much noise for the first couple months, but it's loud now after about 5-6 months of having them installed.

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I was also told that ALL camber plates will clunk sooner than later due to the spherical bearing on top. No matter how big it is or how tight thr bearing tolerance is.