Gt 5.0 vs 2017 Camaro 1LE

JohnD · Dec 10, 2016

16COEBM said:
The GT PP is a small upgrade over a GT that improves handling without consequence to the overall dynamic.

Small upgrade?

GT Performance Package3 includes unique front
air splitter; strut-tower brace; larger radiator; upsized
rear sway bar; heavy-duty front springs; unique
chassis tuning; Gauge Pack (oil pressure and vacuum);
K-member brace; Brembo 6-piston front calipers;
19" x 9" Ebony Black-painted aluminum front wheels
with 255/40R19 summer-only tires2; 19" x 9.5" Ebony
Black-painted aluminum rear wheels with 275/40R19
summer-only tires2; unique electric power-assisted
steering, ABS and electronic stability control tuning;
Engine Turn aluminum dash panel; spoiler delete; and
3.73:1 gear ratio with TORSEN helical gear differential

Pretty minor stuff there for sure. Especially the Torsen and 6 piston Brembos. Not much value there for sure.

{Removes tongue from cheek}

They also don't mention all the suspension pieces that are unique to the PP, go through the Ford Performance suspension bits and look for "included on Performance Pack". You'll see lots of stuff. That's the "unique chassis tuning".

The only thing I covet from the Gen 6 Camaro is its weight (or lack thereof) but given how much more it costs than a Mustang it's just not worth it.

The PP has to be one of the best bargains around these days.

ZaneWayne · Dec 10, 2016

JohnD said:
Small upgrade?

GT Performance Package3 includes unique front
air splitter; strut-tower brace; larger radiator; upsized
rear sway bar; heavy-duty front springs; unique
chassis tuning; Gauge Pack (oil pressure and vacuum);
K-member brace; Brembo 6-piston front calipers;
19" x 9" Ebony Black-painted aluminum front wheels
with 255/40R19 summer-only tires2; 19" x 9.5" Ebony
Black-painted aluminum rear wheels with 275/40R19
summer-only tires2; unique electric power-assisted
steering, ABS and electronic stability control tuning;
Engine Turn aluminum dash panel; spoiler delete; and
3.73:1 gear ratio with TORSEN helical gear differential

Pretty minor stuff there for sure. Especially the Torsen and 6 piston Brembos. Not much value there for sure.

{Removes tongue from cheek}

They also don't mention all the suspension pieces that are unique to the PP, go through the Ford Performance suspension bits and look for "included on Performance Pack". You'll see lots of stuff. That's the "unique chassis tuning".

The only thing I covet from the Gen 6 Camaro is its weight (or lack thereof) but given how much more it costs than a Mustang it's just not worth it.

The PP has to be one of the best bargains around these days.

The price between a GTPP and 1SS is about a grand. I think both the GTPP and 1SS are performance bargains. But yeah. I agree. Anyone who says the PP isn't that big of a jump from the base, hasn't driven them back to back.

16COEBM · Dec 10, 2016

Considering the Camaro get the big brakes front and back, better tuned Magride, bigger and better tires, more aggressive aero work and both diff and trans coolers. Yes it's small. But what I was getting at is just about every magazine got a GT PP for their tester and almost none complained about the ride. Every single review of the 1LE I've read complains about the harshness of the ride.

Now Ford could have went with a 285/305 tire setup, we know it fits. Added a diff cooler from the GT 350. A more aggressive spring and shock setup. But they didn't. Yet. They didn't I would guess because it would turn off alot of prospective buyers. They figure if someone is looking for a track hog, they'll buy the GT350.

02gtnh · Dec 10, 2016

16COEBM said:
Considering the Camaro get the big brakes front and back, better tuned Magride, bigger and better tires, more aggressive aero work and both diff and trans coolers. Yes it's small. But what I was getting at is just about every magazine got a GT PP for their tester and almost none complained about the ride. Every single review of the 1LE I've read complains about the harshness of the ride.

Now Ford could have went with a 285/305 tire setup, we know it fits. Added a diff cooler from the GT 350. A more aggressive spring and shock setup. But they didn't. Yet. They didn't I would guess because it would turn off alot of prospective buyers. They figure if someone is looking for a track hog, they'll buy the GT350.

Where have you read that the 1le has a harsh ride.

ZaneWayne · Dec 10, 2016

16COEBM said:
Considering the Camaro get the big brakes front and back, better tuned Magride, bigger and better tires, more aggressive aero work and both diff and trans coolers. Yes it's small. But what I was getting at is just about every magazine got a GT PP for their tester and almost none complained about the ride. Every single review of the 1LE I've read complains about the harshness of the ride.

Now Ford could have went with a 285/305 tire setup, we know it fits. Added a diff cooler from the GT 350. A more aggressive spring and shock setup. But they didn't. Yet. They didn't I would guess because it would turn off alot of prospective buyers. They figure if someone is looking for a track hog, they'll buy the GT350.

The old 1LE yes. The new one, it's just as comfy as the normal SS when in tour

EcoVert · Dec 10, 2016

:lie: zl1 super car :lie:

:lol:

Khell86 · Dec 11, 2016

ZaneWayne said:
The price between a GTPP and 1SS is about a grand. I think both the GTPP and 1SS are performance bargains. But yeah. I agree. Anyone who says the PP isn't that big of a jump from the base, hasn't driven them back to back.

Yeah all the GTPP needs is non shitty tires and i think it'd give the 1SS a run for its money around a track.

Pong Lenis · Dec 11, 2016

both great cars guys.
gen5 camaro is very close to our mustangs performance and handling wise.
i imagine the gen6 camaro to be amazing..
too ugly and too expensive though..they destroyed the styling imho

ZaneWayne · Dec 11, 2016

EcoVert said:
:lie: zl1 super car :lie:

:lol:

Wat?

JohnnyUtah · Dec 11, 2016

16COEBM said:
Considering the Camaro get the big brakes front and back, better tuned Magride, bigger and better tires, more aggressive aero work and both diff and trans coolers. Yes it's small. But what I was getting at is just about every magazine got a GT PP for their tester and almost none complained about the ride. Every single review of the 1LE I've read complains about the harshness of the ride.

Now Ford could have went with a 285/305 tire setup, we know it fits. Added a diff cooler from the GT 350. A more aggressive spring and shock setup. But they didn't. Yet. They didn't I would guess because it would turn off alot of prospective buyers. They figure if someone is looking for a track hog, they'll buy the GT350.

Yeah except the limited production makes it painful to obtain and too expensive.

Some of us want a car we can take to the track and beat up a little bit without obsessing over rock chips and rubber marks.

It would be ideal if Ford could just make a real track pack for their high production car.

mustang_guy · Dec 11, 2016

JohnnyUtah said:
Yeah except the limited production makes it painful to obtain and too expensive.

Some of us want a car we can take to the track and beat up a little bit without obsessing over rock chips and rubber marks.

It would be ideal if Ford could just make a real track pack for their high production car.

Something like a LS pack like the boss had. Or just offer a box to tick for frpp packages factory installed. I wish they would just offer a drag package for the drag racers, a REAL handling package for guys that want it and a base.

bluebeastsrt · Dec 11, 2016

JohnnyUtah said:
Yeah except the limited production makes it painful to obtain and too expensive.

Some of us want a car we can take to the track and beat up a little bit without obsessing over rock chips and rubber marks.

It would be ideal if Ford could just make a real track pack for their high production car.

Agreed. Just offer it as an option package for the guys that want to turn the steering wheel at the track.

68fbjjz109 · Dec 11, 2016

Well we know the 2018 is offering a second Performance Pack.

mustang_guy · Dec 11, 2016

68fbjjz109 said:
Well we know the 2018 is offering a second Performance Pack.

That doesnt mean its for drag racing with different spring rates, smaller calipers for the option to run 15s, better rear bushings for drag, like frrp rear end bushing kit. Thats just a power package most likely. It doesnt mean its for the handling guys either

ecoboost1 · Dec 12, 2016

MatthewAMEL said:
They do make a 1LE with more power...it's the SS 1LE.

The V6 1LE > GTPP

The SS 1LE > GT350

The ZL1 > GT350R

I would happily expect all this to change when Ford does the 2PP.

Pushing the competition is good for everyone!

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

Amen on pushing the competition, Ford is always a pioneer

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