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2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR
btown93
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I hope so too. I find these types of rare "behind the curtain" types of things to be simply fascinating, much like "A Faster Horse". At the dealership level, there really isn't anything "cool" or "insider" as people would think.
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My thoughts, coming from an R owner and a prior GT500 and Boss 302 owner...
You can't put a price on refinement. The R is a fine wine that tastes as though it has been corked for 50 years and packaged in a modern day glass wine bottle. Years of technology went into the engine, along with a fine concoction of modern day techno. The car is blended well and has the fun, feel and masturbastic level of entertainment that no other American car has been able to muster... ever.
The ZL1 is a lion compared to a cheetah (the R). Where the ZL1 has the power to knock off a quick hot lap, as it should, it does so with bruteness and the ergonomics of a Kia. Even MT said it was more luxurious than the R, and that's just it... who gives a hot damn about luxury on the track? I could care less...
Where the R is a finely blended wine the ZL1 is bottle of Thunderbird. Wanna see how thie ZL1 is the "sum of its parts"?... look at it on a lift from the underside. Look at how Chevy forced a shared platform to endure track duty. You don't see that on the R. Yes, superchargers are fun but for how long?... and anyone, including Lethal Performance (not knocking them) can slap a SC on something.
In summary, the R is bespoke automotive engineering art... the ZL1, the bully out of class with the R, surely and rightfully so given a liter more displacement coupled with another 2+ liters lopped on top of the engine. The R is the better driver's car, the ZL1 the better with speed. That being said, for the R to stay within 75 feet of the ZL1 says a lot about the R and the potential of the GT500, of it is based upon the R platform.
You can't put a price on refinement. The R is a fine wine that tastes as though it has been corked for 50 years and packaged in a modern day glass wine bottle. Years of technology went into the engine, along with a fine concoction of modern day techno. The car is blended well and has the fun, feel and masturbastic level of entertainment that no other American car has been able to muster... ever.
The ZL1 is a lion compared to a cheetah (the R). Where the ZL1 has the power to knock off a quick hot lap, as it should, it does so with bruteness and the ergonomics of a Kia. Even MT said it was more luxurious than the R, and that's just it... who gives a hot damn about luxury on the track? I could care less...
Where the R is a finely blended wine the ZL1 is bottle of Thunderbird. Wanna see how thie ZL1 is the "sum of its parts"?... look at it on a lift from the underside. Look at how Chevy forced a shared platform to endure track duty. You don't see that on the R. Yes, superchargers are fun but for how long?... and anyone, including Lethal Performance (not knocking them) can slap a SC on something.
In summary, the R is bespoke automotive engineering art... the ZL1, the bully out of class with the R, surely and rightfully so given a liter more displacement coupled with another 2+ liters lopped on top of the engine. The R is the better driver's car, the ZL1 the better with speed. That being said, for the R to stay within 75 feet of the ZL1 says a lot about the R and the potential of the GT500, of it is based upon the R platform.
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I got such inspiration from your word learning that I wanted to contribute.
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covfefe?
nastang87xx
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YUUUUUUUUGE vocabulary.
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That is hilarious! I too read the article and had to research the same words. Entertaining vocabulary for a car test and way over the top in my opinion. Both impressive cars...the R is something very unique. Perhaps the Muhammad Ali of mustangs..with out having to brag...pretty...fast ...and very hard to beat.
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and seeing out is like the tortoise(ZL1) vs the hare(GT350)
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That was one of the most bogus comparisons I've ever watched. They clearly had picked the 350R before any testing was done. What they probably didn't realize was that the ZL1 would beat it in every performance metric. That same white ZL1 was 2 seconds faster than the 350R in the Ignition episode (faster than a Mclaren 570s). What exactly is the 350R better at on track? Yet it wins because of its "unrefinement" essentially. Get outta here! I know we all live for our home teams to win, but give credit where it's due. The ZL1 is simply the better car performance wise, and the 1LE package will only widen that gap. Oh, and it costs less and can actually be purchased without the mandatory pre lube.
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I think we can all agree with this part of your quote, but still honestly prefer the characteristics of the GT350/GT350R over the ZL1. Judging the "best" car is still, almost entirely, subjective.
That also means that someone else could prefer the ZL1 and also be correct in their opinion.
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So Chevy cracked the code on preventing Dealers from adding ADMs?
Or are you referring to the Z28 that sat around on lots with ADMs for so long that dealers have to have fire-sales?
Or is there just no demand for the ZL1 that dealers cant get ADMs?
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