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Sports cars are slowly dying away.

You can compare fleet and retails sales all you want, but in the end its about revenue and profit. We won't be able to figure out the profit, but we can sure as hell figure out the revenue and Ford is winning despite the higher (alleged) ATP's posted by the camaro dude. Winning is winning.

And with a 1.88 60' time. I've seen camaro's pull 1.6 to 1.7's on their 11 second runs. Might be more in the mustang still. Maybe a base GT with 10 speed and PP?

I think the 07-09 GT500 looks amazing still today.

It'll be completely different for the mustang. The engines become more and more distinctive. They increased the torque down load with the F-150. Will be a little different for the mustang. Plus the increased redline alone will bump HP.

The more I see that front end the more I like it. Super aggressive looking. Starting to dig that Orange Fury as well.

Nice. Man I hope they use ecoboost motors in the Ranger. I'd love a 2.0L ecoboost ranger. That's all the power I'd need.

Well until you can show me the profits, i'll go with the 100 million more in revenue :cheers: :first: :first:

What matters is who is making the most profit in the end. Even if the fleet and ATP numbers from C6 is right, Ford still has generated over 100 million more in revenue because of their "fleet" numbers.

The challenger is pretty close to the mustang in regards to discounts.

Did the GT350R have the Tech Pack? I haven't watched the video, but that's probably what Ford sent them. If thats the case, the only thing separating the GT350R and the ZL1 is a backseat.

Now we've seen what the ZL1 can do when GM engineers don't make improvements between runs.

Looks amazing. Should give the Escalade a run for its money.

I think the new front end looks aggressive. I like it a lot.

Maybe not. We do know that upgrades to the 5.0 is based off of the F-150's budget. If the truck class continued to update their engines, regardless of a new challenger or camaro, we still could have seen a new engine regardless.

I'm sure the thing is fast as hell around a track, but jesus that thing is hideous.

You've got to remember that the US has pretty strict safety requirements. The US spec McLaren 675LT is heavier than what they list on their website. I'm sure it the case for other manufacturers. I'm not quite sure why the MGP is so crappy though. The Aero could just be that hardcore. It's...

The base viper does better because it lacks the Aero the GT has. The ACR gets about the same MPG.

As far as I know there are two new options for the PP, Magneride suspension and the Forged Aluminum wheels. While the tires are new, they're not really a new option. I do think the GTPP will defnitely close the gap quite a bit with the 1LE, but it still is lacking a few features.

Most SS's are putting out around 400-405 to the tires Anything higher than that is a happy dyno. The SS runs a 245 in the front and a 275 in the rear. A power increase is coming. As for the 1LE, the pricing is insane on it and while price wise it might compete with the GTPP, its equipment is...