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Even the base 500 destroys the R on track. 350R beat the old zl1 and the z28 but loses to the new zl1 and zl11le. The 500 handily beats the zl11le and c7z and on some courses with the 500 CF package then competes with the ACRe.

Competition all leapfrogged them? Confused... It’s faster than the 675lt and many other cars on the race track and other million dollar cars from the last 5 years. They are selling illegally for 4 times the msrp which you say is overpriced to begin with. Others have stated they would sell their...

Weight to hp? Like I said earlier the race car is being held to about 400hp in some races as well as adding additional weight. You can complain all you want about the streeet car, while the race car is being dialed back every which way because it is too fast.

Let down for sure, it only runs the most weight and the least amount of boost based on BOP regs and still wins races. Terrible how could Ford do this...:headbonk:

Ford flew Billy Johnson in to let the editors get a feel for the GT and what it could do with specific instructions to go easy on the tires. He showed up with flip flops and shorts. He also got a great selfie at 147mph through a corner during the run. Billy was having fun as evident by his...

Jeep all day everyday! The only negative with the Jeep is the crummy mpg if you drive a lot. I drove my 12 2dr rubi 2.5 years and 70k miles. Sold it for something more affordable. I still miss it. The mustang is way too expensive for what it is. $55k? Why so you can sell it for $20k in 2+ years...

As was stated it was not on the car shown to the media, car shows or press releases. They had to add it since it was so obvious. What else not seen was on the car? As someone else stated here on this forum, it's common knowledge with in the community of engineers in Detroit that the showroom...

And you have no proof it's an oem vehicle. You believe a company trying to sell a vehicle and I believe people who have witnessed their lies. :cheers:

Not at all. I like to see times or performance stats where there is some form of independent verification. GM and their marketing of ring times are terrible to take as truth. When indepently testing of their times gm comes in last(biggest difference between gm claims and independent results)...

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Verification? I want corner weights, fuel test, dyno test(the day it was run), blower verification, psi output(again day it was run), and tire verification. Again as I have stated before gm has been caught with non oem parts on their ring time vehicles in the past. Hell am engineered...

Let's see the PDK is oem, so is the 4.0, so is dyno verified 501hp, so is the rear steering. The only thing that was not oem was the sear as you mentioned which is 15lbs heavier than the oem seat. Sport Auto ran this 991.2 GT3 with their own pro driver at 7.18.2 while independly verifying...

It is not the same car as they will sell at dealers! GM plays this game with all their cars. Hell the z28 could not beat the 12 zl1 time of 7.41 in good weather on a closed track with many attempts!

That is not the car that GM will sell. It is built and tuned vehicle specifically for this marketing vid. There is no confirmation on weights or fuel or psi or if it's the same blower or even if it was not run on slicks. GM has a terrible reputation on ring times having been caught...

GM takes a non production car to a race track, closes the track runs how many of hundreds of hero laps with no independent verification that anything on the car is oem and passes it off for a car you can purchase at a dealer? It's like those adds showing the zl1 while saying msrp starts at 23k...

Not really. Zl11le is at 7.16 while the zr1 is at 7.19.6. Or 3.6 secs behind. Which brings up an interesting point. How does 3900lb 650hp camaro beat a 3400lb 650hp vette on track? The 918 was clocked at 6.57 in their factory test. Or 19 secs faster than the camaro.

True it's no slouch. 1.8 vs 2 is indeed a competition. I would love to see those two cars from dealers(not manufacturer provided) battle it out same tire pro driver.

Don't take hearsay as proof. I've seen no proof that a oem ss 1le, zl1, zl1 1le has run or beaten any vehicle. Believe whatever you want. Like I said before gm has stated in their testing the 6th gen 1le v8 is still 2 secs slower than a 5th gen z28. Ford can't test against a zl1 1le yet...

Seperate purchase and trade negotiations. What's msrp of the vehicle and current rebates? If you can get 2k less than msrp plus rebates you will have good deal imo. Ex, 28.7k minus 2k minus 1.5k in rebates. Which would make 25.2k my purchase price goal. Once you agree on price then negotiate on...

My bad. I was speaking of the l1e. Edit: Internet, must be true... Which part the 7.29 it must be true or GM 2009 ZR1 time of 7.26.4 vs production vehicle with professional driver time of 7.38?