2021 MUSTANG (S650) - 7th Generation Mustang Confirmed

Vato · Oct 17, 2017

The only way I'd get out of my current ride in 2021 would be for an aluminum body, 5.0 ecoboost, and recaro seats for mature men.

Bravo · Oct 17, 2017

68fbjjz109 said:
I can see it being weight neutral or gaining some weight to improve its IIHS small overlap score.

I wonder if the 2018 has already added bracing to improve this score. I know that other manufacturers made changes to vehicles within a model year to improve the small front overlap score without making any noticeable changes to the vehicle.

With the entire front end of the Mustang changing, it should have been easy for Ford to solve the IIHS SFO score issue.

Topnotch · Oct 17, 2017

68fbjjz109 said:
From what I have been told about S650. The chassis will remain largely the same, specifically dimensionally due to the cost of architecture changes.

The powers at be felt the money spent on changing the body structure was better spent achieving inproved results elsewhere in the car.

To me that means minor material or stamping profile changes within the confines of tool replacement or cost reduction.

I imagine the S650 body structure will be within 10 lbs of S550 weight; that's is lighter or heavier. I can see it being weight neutral or gaining some weight to improve its IIHS small overlap score.

What this does allow for is the targeting of weight in other areas. Cradles, knuckles, suspension links, closures, and impact structure.

The GT350 has validated some of these material change strategies as well.

I can see S650 having more bolt on aluminum suspension components and CFRP components; specifically front cradle and upper rad support.

S650 is all new

68fbjjz109 · Oct 17, 2017

Please define all new, majority "all new vehicles" are far from that in reality.

I wouldn't even call S550 all new from SN197, I would guess it effectually is an 75% 90% tear up. I doubt Ford wants to spend a Billion dollars on platform with one vehicle on it. I would put money its a slight evolution if that. You just don't get that much return on investment, engineering validation is expensive. I would love to be wrong.

Because from an Architecture standpoint the all new 2015 F150, is a 2014 with the appropriate changes to build in aluminum.

EJS2016 · Oct 17, 2017

Topnotch confirmed in July that the S650 would be built on the all-new D6R platform.

1320' · Oct 17, 2017

68fbjjz109 said:
Please define all new, majority "all new vehicles" are far from that in reality.

I wouldn't even call S550 all new from SN197, I would guess it effectually is an 75% 90% tear up. I doubt Ford wants to spend a Billion dollars on platform with one vehicle on it. I would put money its a slight evolution if that. You just don't get that much return on investment, engineering validation is expensive. I would love to be wrong.

Because from an Architecture standpoint the all new 2015 F150, is a 2014 with the appropriate changes to build in aluminum.

The S550 is all new.

Back in 2011/2012 the original plan was to evolve the S197 platform, however that was trashed in 2013 and they started a from the ground up.

Spirit Of Fire · Oct 17, 2017

This is how you design a car. Not the crap Ford is experimenting with these days. What the new Mustang should have looked like from the front.

PeterPerfect · Oct 17, 2017

^^ You Jest Sir. Even Peugeot would not construct that.

Vato · Oct 17, 2017

[MENTION=30916]Spirit Of Fire[/MENTION] that needs more mustang design cues. That is more Audi than anything.

68fbjjz109 · Oct 17, 2017

Shit, I completely forgot about D6R even sat through a presentation.

Well case and point, while a different platform there is no way Ford is bank rolling a unique advanced Mustang platform in within that time frame. There is no money in it.

While there is Lincoln concept sketches, they got shelved, it is supposed to be about the same size.

68fbjjz109 · Oct 17, 2017

1320' said:
The S550 is all new.

Back in 2011/2012 the original plan was to evolve the S197 platform, however that was trashed in 2013 and they started a from the ground up.

There is atill alot of legacy in S550. Things are rarely clean sheeted due to best practices, and validation time frames.

Falc'man · Oct 17, 2017

68fbjjz109 said:
Shit, I completely forgot about D6R even sat through a presentation.

Well case and point, while a different platform there is no way Ford is bank rolling a unique advanced Mustang platform in within that time frame. There is no money in it.

While there is Lincoln concept sketches, they got shelved, it is supposed to be about the same size.

The all-new "D6" platform is the donor platform which D6R is based on, so Mustang won't be getting it's own unique platform, rather, it will be part of a modular platform. While that may mean some compromises in the traditional Mustang design it will allow much cost-sharing that is required to keep it feasible, affordable, and competitive.

68fbjjz109 · Oct 17, 2017

Falc'man said:
The all-new "D6" platform is the donor platform which D6R is based on, so Mustang won't be getting it's own unique platform, rather, it will be part of a modular platform. While that may mean some compromises in the traditional Mustang design it will allow much cost-sharing that is required to keep it feasible, affordable, and competitive.

Honestly I am not that worried. Being able to amoratize R&D, SG&A and profit over more volume will only help the Mustang.

The Camaro didn't really suffer from a performance side. GM just decided to top hat the Alpha Camaro more aggressively than the Zeta and making preventing visibilty improvements.

The only thing that worries me is stock tower height. Alot of the other Ford platforms have high shock towers which drive higher hood profiles. That is the last thing the Mustang needs.

Jason Castriota and some other solid designers are on S650. I have heard a little about where the car is going from a design perspective, should be interesting.

MattMurdock · Oct 18, 2017

Hiding in Plain Sight

You're right not to worry. ;) I'm not sure if anyone else has pointed this out, but I believe TopNotch (Dave Pericak, for the uninitiated) left a clue about the next generation Mustang that many of us have overlooked. In the video he posted on page 28, you can see what is very likely the next generation Mustang (S650), or at least a hint at what Ford has been kicking around. Stop the video at 38 secs in, and you can see it in all its glory. My apologies in advance, if someone has pointed this out already.
TopNotch knows his stuff (for obvious reasons) and is the real deal. :ford::clap2:

Side note: I've been reading the forums long before I became a proud owner of a carryover 2016 Ruby Red Mustang GT (October 2016). I've always loved the 'Stang (I also owned one long ago, which I sold upon the approaching birth of my first child). The Mustang will always be a part of my DNA, no matter the iteration. A true classic.

68fbjjz109 said:
Honestly I am not that worried. Being able to amoratize R&D, SG&A and profit over more volume will only help the Mustang.

The Camaro didn't really suffer from a performance side. GM just decided to top hat the Alpha Camaro more aggressively than the Zeta and making preventing visibilty improvements.

The only thing that worries me is stock tower height. Alot of the other Ford platforms have high shock towers which drive higher hood profiles. That is the last thing the Mustang needs.

Jason Castriota and some other solid designers are on S650. I have heard a little about where the car is going from a design perspective, should be interesting.

Topnotch · Oct 18, 2017

That's the DS E-Tense Concept

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