Why no FoMoCo Mustang derivatives?

nastang87xx said:

Lincoln is not a performance brand, they're a luxury brand. A complex high performance V8 and a coupe chassis doesn't fit that portfolio.

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anyone ever tell that to Cadillac? :lol:

While not quite on par with the CTSV, the MKZ has the option of AWD and twin turbo 3.0 V6. With 400 hp and 400 lb tq, it'll get you down the road pretty quick. It is the Lincoln version of the SHO.

TexasRebel said:

anyone ever tell that to Cadillac? :lol:

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Cadillac changed their brand strategy. That's why they can get away with it and are reasonably successful at it. They are direct competitors to BMW and Mercedes. Lincoln doesn't have that competition nor can they compete but nor are they looking to. For every Model of BMW, you can about align something with Cadillac. Lincoln has none of that.

I'm disappointed myself but I think:

- SUVs/crossovers are where luxury buyers are at or are going to.

- GM hasn't been too successful in the amount its invested into 'updating' Cadillac vs the returns they're getting.

I think the dream of a Mustang-related RWD sedan or derivative was tried and killed with the Lincoln LS. I don't think the market is there nor does Ford/GM really have the customers they want (those that buy the import luxury stuff)

scrubber3 said:

net shot

I do wish Toyota would bring back the Supra. That was the game changer

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They are...

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-toyota-supra-spy-photos-news

Most luxury brands have a 2 door, FE/RWD halo car/performance car. LC500, CTS-V, C63, etc. They may not sell well, but the market exists. Personally, I'd rather Lincoln make a performance version of the MKZ to compete in the performance sedan class before making a 2 door halo car.

EPA policy maybe has something to do with this insofar as higher allowed consumption for the large SUV and truck class of vehicles. A large GT luxocoupe would invoke fleet mileage penalties. Let's hope that policy changes.

Carzzi said:

Shh!! That would mean that a FWD Probe might replace the Stang! Heaven forbid!

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FAWK NO!!!!!!

nastang87xx said:

Cadillac changed their brand strategy. That's why they can get away with it and are reasonably successful at it. They are direct competitors to BMW and Mercedes. Lincoln doesn't have that competition nor can they compete but nor are they looking to. For every Model of BMW, you can about align something with Cadillac. Lincoln has none of that.

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.......and this is why Lincolns sales are so piss poor.
They need a overhaul of their image badly.
Building a Mark VIIII S550 variant would do wonders.
Enough with this front wheel drive based crap. This has not worked for over two decades.
Time For A Major Change!

timd38 said:

Actually the front drive Fusion and the Mustang have a great deal in common. That is why they are both built at Flatrock.

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Fusion hasn't been built at Flatrock in nearly a year. Flatrock builds Mustang and Continental currently.

Fusion and MKZ are built in Hermasillo Mexico now.

Erik427 said:

.......and this is why Lincolns sales are so piss poor.
They need a overhaul of their image badly.
Building a Mark VIIII S550 variant would do wonders.
Enough with this front wheel drive based crap. This has not worked for over two decades.
Time For A Major Change!

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Minor detail, but VIIII is not a proper Roman numeral. It would be IX, by the way.

Back on topic, though, have you driven a 2017 MKZ 3.0L? I got to drive a few of them at Las Vegas Motor Raceway's infield track last summer. They were the 400 hp / 400 tq twin turbo all wheel drive models. I pushed them extremely hard and they have great power and excellent handling. With its Torque Vectoring, it sends power to the outside rear tire to power hard out of corners like a rear drive vehicle. Very impressive!

Lincoln sold a performance car at one time.

The company Ford used to share the Mustang platform with no longer exists. If Mercury was still around then there would likely be a Cougar on the S550 platform. The demand for 2 door performance coupes is not all that high. There are plenty of 4 door performance sedans out there to choose from with more on the way but even those are losing ground to CUV's

Five Oh Brian said:

Minor detail, but VIIII is not a proper Roman numeral. It would be IX, by the way.

Back on topic, though, have you driven a 2017 MKZ 3.0L? I got to drive a few of them at Las Vegas Motor Raceway's infield track last summer. They were the 400 hp / 400 tq twin turbo all wheel drive models. I pushed them extremely hard and they have great power and excellent handling. With its Torque Vectoring, it sends power to the outside rear tire to power hard out of corners like a rear drive vehicle. Very impressive!

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You're right on the Roman numerals.....lol.
But all of this front wheel drive based mess is just not working.
Lincoln needs the S550 chassis or we should say S650 instead?

Five Oh Brian said:

Minor detail, but VIIII is not a proper Roman numeral. It would be IX, by the way.

Back on topic, though, have you driven a 2017 MKZ 3.0L? I got to drive a few of them at Las Vegas Motor Raceway's infield track last summer. They were the 400 hp / 400 tq twin turbo all wheel drive models. I pushed them extremely hard and they have great power and excellent handling. With its Torque Vectoring, it sends power to the outside rear tire to power hard out of corners like a rear drive vehicle. Very impressive!

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But somehow, VIIII seems more regal than having yet another overused X in model nomenclature

The problem isn't how capable the MKZ or whatever is. It's how plain vanilla uninspiring it looks. And one reason why all those Lincolns look so drab is their plebian proportion, the uninspiring FWD proportions. Heck even though Audi pretty much has its cars' engines in the trunks of the cars ahead of them, they've done some proportion magic to push the front wheel openings farther away from the door edges, giving them the verisimilitude of RWD based cars.

Ford already has a most excellent RWD platform: exploit it like an up-and-coming Hollywood starlet!

Erik427 said:

You're right on the Roman numerals.....lol.
But all of this front wheel drive based mess is just not working.
Lincoln needs the S550 chassis or we should say S650 instead?

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:amen:

This man said in three lines what took me forty seven.