Car and driver Camaro vs Mustant GTPP numbers

[cosmo]

Shift to od gear?

The 4 second faster time is a manual as well. They both were PP so they had the same 3.73 gears. No idea where that 4s went.

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[thePill]

Shift to od gear?

Ah Ha! Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. :lol: I never considered that... it is the only explaination.

 

[Mr Monte]

Top gear acceleration test are pretty useless seeing the top gear is all about gas mileage & not how quick you can go.

 

[legendary mustang]

Ah Ha! Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. :lol: I never considered that... it is the only explaination.

thats true,remember the video where that guy did 160mph in 5th gear?watch where the rpm needle is.:

 

[347CobraII]

Ah Ha! Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. :lol: I never considered that... it is the only explaination.

Sure they didn't put mustang drive mode in wet/snow

 

[thePill]

Sure they didn't put mustang drive mode in wet/snow

Something obviously happened, I would point to an overdrive pull as the only explanation...

Why they did it? I don't know... It's just a magazine test... It's not really worth anything.

Although, a different mode may have caused this as well.

I hope they weren't in Snow Mode in a Fully Loaded GTPP Premium durning this H2H.

It does seem Ford gives zero F-words about magazine test :lol: all the cars sent are loaded to sell :lol:

 

[minjitta]

Curb weight 3,884 for 1le? Where are those 200lbs weight loss?

 

[thePill]

Curb weight 3,884 for 1le? Where are those 200lbs weight loss?

That weight is from the old 1LE...

But, did you see the weight distribution for the 1SS and 2SS? Right now it is just as front biased as the fully loaded GTPP Premium... The GTPP has the equipment it needs to survive... naming the 15 inch by 34 (or 36mm) rotors, 6 pots and a 255/19 up front.

The SS needs 15-15.5's and a 255/265-20 up front... That is 40-50lbs right on the axle... Unless the SS upgrades some stuff in the rear, the balance will be closer to 56/44...


I think the SS is in a bad situation as far as future compromise is concerned. The 19 gallon tank helps but think about it, a 1/4 tank is more front bias at 19 gallons than the ATS-V's 16 gallon tank.

 

[thePill]

The Mustang's Center of Gravity was measured 1/2 inch lower than the SS. This is an area I'm interested in... especially while the SS sits and inch lower overall.

If C&D didn't fowl this measurement up, this is a huge advantage. It also shows you the height difference between the Mustang and Camaro is in the tire diameter. The Mustang has a wider, flatter body than the bulky Camaro.

The Mustang has a superior footprint, wheelbase:track ratio and center of gravity (probably lower roll center too). This is very, very good.

The fully loaded GTPP Premium had a 20 inch CG.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Camaro was an A8 and the Mustang a manual 6sp hence the speed differences.

This is exactly correct! The Autos are turning in 12.5 12.7 times no problem. I ran a 12.79 on a 90 degree day in august stock!

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Question, but am I the only one wondering if Wheel hop ate into the times and if it were sorted out, the GT would of been able to be just as fast, if not faster?

 

[thePill]

Question, but am I the only one wondering if Wheel hop ate into the times and if it were sorted out, the GT would of been able to be just as fast, if not faster?

All the GT's Ford sends to magazines are Fully Loaded, GT Premiums with the Performance Package equipped. They typically price as tested at $48,000, I seen one at $45,000 that didn't have NAV.

These examples are not the fastest GT's availible. In fact, next to a fully loaded Base GT Premium, this is the slowest it gets. Each car tested weighs between 3815-3825lbs.

Some Base GT's were weighed local between 3660-3700lbs. If drag racing is priority, buy a base and upgrade the differential... or just swap the rear wheel/tire.

There is about 40lbs of free weight in the GT that can be removed. After that, there is another 40lbs in the stereo and 35lbs in airbag (not sure about the knee bags yet).

Delete rear seats (31lbs), front passenger (51lbs) and swap the driver's seat (20-30lbs)... that is 210lbs (not including knee airbags) from 3660-3705lbs...

You can't get any lighter than that in a new car...

 

[Tommy V]

numbers are all over the place
30-50 top gear a. 9 secs?
50-70 at 8.6?
That alone makes me wonder.

Yea good catch,aint no fucxxx way,30 to 50 9 sec lmfas.The stang can go 0to60 In 4.4 but roolin 5to60 4.8.Them guys could not drive a freakin big wheel!!!!!.If that dont show that test is bs i dont know what will.0to60 is only time i agree with.

 

[thePill]

Ew... I noticed the huge increase in the Center of Gravity from 5th Gen to 6th Gen. I'm not sure why they increased this even while dropping the overall height by an inch using overall shorter diameter tires.

I can't see how so much weight got shifted upwards? If the seats remain in a lowered position, I can only say the engine is mounted higher than the LS3... With the added overall weight and now front bias that limits the size of the equipment in the front, the LT1 doesn't seem worth it.

The 16 Camaro had actually dropped an inch overall to compensate for the Center of Gravity going from 19 inches on the 5th Gen to 20.5 on the 6th Gen. That is no better than the Challenger... :( None of this compliments the less than optimal footprint. If this thing gains 110lbs like the ATS-V, it will be in extreme trouble.

The CoG increase is a poor, poor decision :(

 

[02gtnh]

Yea good catch,aint no fucxxx way,30 to 50 9 sec lmfas.The stang can go 0to60 In 4.4 but roolin 5to60 4.8.Them guys could not drive a freakin big wheel!!!!!.If that dont show that test is bs i dont know what will.0to60 is only time i agree with.

The numbers are right, just not realistic. Who is in 6th gear at 30mph and guns it to see how long to get to 50? who would drive like that.:shrug:

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